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To: lugsoul
Thanks for your reasoned response.

Question for you:
Do you personally know any of the parties involved in this case? Obviously, I wouldn't be surprised if you refuse to answer.

Reason I ask is because you've indicated that you're a lawyer....
"I've taken an interest in Moore's antics since he was on the bench in Etowah County - I am from Alabama, and I am an attorney, so stuff like that is of interest to me."...lugsoul

Do YOU have a connection with this case?
"My hang up is people who have no more connection to this case than reading media reports claiming the right to decide what did and did not happen."....lugsoul

You obviously know other movers & shakers in FL...Orlando FL (Democratic)
Mayor surrenders to fraud probe"
"If you judge him solely on that basis, that speaks more about you than about him. I know Buddy Dyer. I know his wife and children. He is a good man"...lugsoul

So I would submit to you lugsoul, that you MAY have a vested interest in defending the legal players in this case. And if so, why not present your bias and we'll go from there.

I wouldn't blame you for defending your friends and colleagues. I would still disagree with you, but would have a better understanding of your displaced Never Give Up Attitude.
511 posted on 04/07/2005 11:46:18 AM PDT by falpro
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To: falpro
Wow - spent some time picking through my posts, did ya?

My 'vested' interest, to use your phrase, is the defense of the legal system [which, though far from perfect, is the best in existence] against those who are more than willing to throw completely unreasonable criticisms at the process whenever they disagree with the result.

An example: When the case was filed with Whittemore, there were lots of folks here posting crap to the effect of "what is he waiting for?" and "what is taking so long? why is he sitting on this?" - which is ridiculous if one has even the slightest inkling of the Herculean effort required to turn around a ruling on a TRO in about 24 hours. Of course, after he did that, the same people were accusing him of giving the motion short shrift. If you don't believe me, go look at the posts on those threads.

If you read what the 2nd DCA did, they went above and beyond what was required. It can not be reasonably disputed that this case got more "due process" than any guardianship matter in recent memory. Yet people are willing to say almost anything to demonize the judges involved, because they don't like the result.

I know it is simplistic, but every decision by a judge leaves someone feeling like they got shafted. That doesn't mean the judge did anything wrong.

Yes, I know some folks in Florida, but do not personally know the players. I've appeared before some of the judges involved, down there and in Atlanta, and I have my own opinions of them - but the "consensus" here about some of them - for example, that Ed Carnes is a "liberal judicial activist" - is so absurd that someone needs to respond.

Greer's performance may not have been perfect, but I do believe the 2nd DCA did a very thorough review on more than one occasion, as evidenced by the matters noted in their opinions. I would've never imagined that appellate judges would actually watch hours of video - but these did. They obviously reviewed the testimony and the reports thoroughly. To attack them as a "rubberstamp" for Greer is profoundly unfair to them.

As far as my Never Give Up attitude, my guess is that you only note it because of where I come down on these issues - there are hundreds of people with a similarly stubborn approach on the other side of the issues, and their approach doesn't often get characterized in the same way. Nevertheless, what would you expect on Free Republic? You think I'd just roll over? ;-)

513 posted on 04/07/2005 12:35:56 PM PDT by lugsoul (Wild Turkey)
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