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To: Jim Robinson
As you have said ... no facts matter to you other than Terri Schiavo was killed.

As strongly as you feel an innocent woman was killed ... I belive that a trapped soul being used as a political football was allowed to die in accordance with her wishes.

Yes there are doubts. I made up the deficit in surety by observing that I would not want to be kept alive artificially for at least a decade, with the prospect of more decades in that condition to come, in such a state. I asked around and could not find anyone who would NOT say they would wish to die if they were in similar straits as Terri Schiavo.

It seems clear to me that your 'pro-life' stance is such that you do not recognize a 'right to die'. Even the Pope just died as he wished. He ordained that he would stay in his apartment without all the tubes and die a natural death. People should have this right. The state courts and families should have the right to such determination. That the entire Congress and the POTUS should get involved on an individual basis is absurd.

Perhaps the courts erred in the case of Terri Schiavo. I don't think it's worth turning the conservative movement upside down over it. Nor is it worth degrading state's rights over.

This is not a slippery slope issue as far as I am concerned. Human beings have the right to make such decisions. If our society is not moral enough to handle these decisions then there is no future for us.
369 posted on 04/05/2005 9:52:37 PM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over a year now)
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To: mercy
I would not want to be kept alive artificially for at least a decade . . <<<<

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Other than that, good post.

Oh, yeah: Thanks for enhancing the inherent value factor . .

370 posted on 04/05/2005 10:13:03 PM PDT by alcuin ( I apologize for not being clear.getridofthateffinlooselipssinkshipsgesture)
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To: mercy

But this isn't about you or the various people you asked.

If, as many say, Terri had no awareness and could feel nothing.....then what was the harm of letting her live? Nobody knows what therapy might have done for her. What if...she was really smiling at her mothers touch?

She was being fed and hydrated through a tube. That's all. Why not let God decide how long she was to live?


371 posted on 04/05/2005 10:23:05 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: mercy
Not exactly. I said it was wrong to kill her (my opinion) and no piled on list of "facts" (meaning other people's opinions) will change it.

Obviously there were doubts. The entire case and the way it was handled was a botched up convoluted mess. That makes killing her even the more senseless. Someone should have called a halt to it. Seeing as how the judiciary refused to halt it, and the Congress was too weak to halt it, and the governor's hands were tied, then I wish there was a way the president could've stepped in. The court ordered killing of an innocent helpless woman who could not speak for herself was a violation of her unalienable rights to life and liberty, and constitutional rights to due process and equality under the law, and was a travesty of justice. When violations of a person's basic constitutional rights have gone this far, and is so clearly wrong, with no effective help from any other branch of federal or state government, who other than the president could possibly stop it?

"Right to die" when it means legalized murder is not a right at all. It's the same farce as "abortion rights." Abortion is murder. "Abortion rights" is a liberal activist made up "right." It does not exist in the constitution. "Right to die" as in a court ordering the death of an innocent helpless human being is murder in the same way abortion is murder. It is not a constitutional right.

The right to life is an unalienable right and a plank in the Republican Party platform. Something is drastically wrong with someone's thinking if he thinks defending the right to life is turning the conservative world upside down.

We've handled these kinds of decisions under our constitution for over two hundred years just fine. The world will not end if the euthanasia enthusiasts are denied.

Sorry, but abortion, assisted suicide, euthanasia, court ordered killing of helpless individuals, etc., is definitely a slippery slope. Others have called it the culture of death. I can't see how they're that far off the mark.

374 posted on 04/06/2005 12:05:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: mercy
"Perhaps the courts erred in the case of Terri Schiavo. I don't think it's worth turning the conservative movement upside down over it. Nor is it worth degrading state's rights over."


What the states have no authority over sodomy, the supremes made sodomy a civil right and yet a state has authority via a county judge to pull a plug. Something is WRONG with this picture!!!!

I know I know that judge was within the law.

That 'soul' is the breathe of life, that is what soul means and so long as that gal was breathing upon her own she was not DEAD, and the state authorized the starvation of the body forcing her soul out of her.

Her wishes were not made known, her in name only hubby in his own best interests made a claim, backed up by his brother and sister-in-law, and the judge accepted it. That judge played 'god' now he can live with that decision.
393 posted on 04/06/2005 5:59:41 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: mercy

Please show me a link where the Pope ordered his feeding tube removed.


397 posted on 04/06/2005 8:36:57 AM PDT by ruoflaw
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