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Minuteman Project:
Sierra Vista Herald ^ | Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:19 PM MDT | BILL HESS

Posted on 04/05/2005 1:11:42 PM PDT by polymuser

FORT HUACHUCA - Senior commanders on this southern Arizona Army post have told soldiers they may not take part in patrolling the border with Minuteman Project volunteers.

In a memo to soldiers assigned to the Network Enterprise Technology Command, Maj. Gen. James Hylton prohibited those assigned to his organization, to include the 11th Signal Brigade, "from participating in any active patrolling, monitoring or other intentional act associated with identifying and/or detaining illegal immigrants, either through an organized group, or on you own."

(Excerpt) Read more at svherald.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; minutemanproject
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To: lodwick

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! TEDDY!! ROCK AND ROLL!!


42 posted on 04/05/2005 7:53:47 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: HiJinx

My friend who was a Minuteman this past weekend just called me and said Hannity and Colmes did a hatchet job on the Minutemen and the interviews they gave. Hannity a Bush yes man, useing the airwaves to discredit the Project.


43 posted on 04/05/2005 7:56:08 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: B58Hustler

I saw that interview - Chris Simcox(sp) was great. He was asked about the Border Patrol's statement that the civilians being there were in jeapardy of violent confrontations with drug dealers and smugglers. He answered it brilliantly - I'm paraphrasing, hopefully someone can post the complete statment he made. He said that that meant the border patrol was aware that our homeland security policy wasn't working and that Americans had to be afraid to be there on U.S. soil because the gov. wasn't protecting us. Well put!


44 posted on 04/05/2005 8:43:26 PM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Bush talks about jobs Americans won't do - one we will do is (undocumented) U.S. Border Patrol Agent)
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To: Spiff; Drammach
"4. Due to this concern voiced by our law enforcement partners"

A clear violation of Posse Comatatus, and a signed confession to boot! This general belongs in Levinworth.

With an attourney general named "Alberto Gonzales", I don't think that will be happening. More likely, Gonzales will present him with a La Raza award.

45 posted on 04/05/2005 8:47:08 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR ("I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere" - GWB)
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To: chicagolady

Just found out a local doctor believed the Press side of things until one of his nurses from Willcox told him that her entire town is thrilled about them being here.


46 posted on 04/05/2005 9:13:50 PM PDT by HiJinx (Report Illegals ~ 1-877-USBP-HELP (872-7435))
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To: Spiff

It seems the Army general knows nothing of the group and less about civic duty.

I wonder about his connection to Mexico.


47 posted on 04/05/2005 9:16:13 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: TERMINATTOR; polymuser; Spiff
After reading the actual document so thoughtfully provided by spiff I hereby retract my claims to Posse Commitatus..

Paragraph 4 clearly states..
" I strongly encourage all civilians within this command to refrain from participating... "

Posse Commitatus refers to military involvement in civilian law enforcement..
There is no military involvement.. The advisory is to civilian employees of the Command..

Further, it is an advisory only, not a directive..
No threats concerning involvement have been made, no penalty, no claims that such activity is illegal, or against the Command's regulations..

The Commander has merely expressed his concern, and "encouraged" civilian employees to refrain from participating.

Under such circumstances, while some employees may be intimidated and refrain from that perspective, they are ultimately free to choose, and act according to their own conscience..
I would hope that they would ignore this communication and act in the interests of their country..

48 posted on 04/06/2005 12:25:03 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: chicagolady

Sean's been very supportive of the MMP from what I've seen/heard on radio and tv...perhaps abit slow to "come-aboard", as many seem to have been, but in recent remarks/interviews he's been very positive.


49 posted on 04/06/2005 9:05:39 PM PDT by FlashBack (www.teamamericapac.org)
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To: shellshocked
It seems the Army general knows nothing of the group and less about civic duty.

I wonder about his connection to Mexico.

Nah. He's just scared:

Busca Fox planta rusa para helicópteros

Jorge Alejandro Medellín
El Universal
Ciudad de México
Domingo 06 de junio de 2004

El mandatario mexicano busca se consolide el segundo complejo en Hidalgo y Veracruz para el ensamble de unidades militares serie Mil Mi, con la visita de Vladimir Putin

15:05 El presidente Vicente Fox buscará concretar un acuerdo comercial y tecnológico con el gobierno de Rusia, para que éste instale en Hidalgo y Veracruz plantas de maquinaria pesada para la industria militar, ensamble y mantenimiento de helicópteros de guerra de la serie Mil Mi.

Esto sucederá durante la primera visita de Estado que realizará a México el mandatario de Rusia, Vladimir Putin, en la que podría consolidarse la instalación de la segunda planta de armado de helicópteros de guerra, dado que en Campeche operan desde el 2001 los hangares del consorcio lituano Avia Baltika, que desde 1998 surte de material aéreo a la Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional (Sedena), a la Armada de México y a la Policía Federal Preventiva (PFP).

Avia Baltika, que inició operaciones en hangares de la Armada en Campeche, controla a la empresa "Kazan Helicopter", encargada de dar mantenimiento aquí a las aeronaves militares de las dependencias mencionadas.

El pasado miércoles, durante una gira de trabajo por Ciudad Sahún, Hidalgo, el presidente Vicente Fox adelantó su intención de firmar acuerdos con el gobierno ruso para instalar en México una de maquinaria pesada para la industria militar, y otra para el mantenimiento y ensamble de helicópteros bélicos.

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TRANSLATION

Fox wants to expand military ties with Russia
BY JOHN RICE/Associated Press
El Universal
Viernes 04 de junio de 2004
Nuestro mundo, página 7

THE PRESIDENT SAYS THE PRINCIPLE TOPIC OF TALKS WITH RUSSIAN PRESIDENT PUTIN WILL BE MORE COOPERATION ON MAKING HELICOPTERS.

President Vicente Fox says his country hopes to expand military cooperation with Russia, assembling some Russian helicopters here and importing a mixed civilian-military factory. Speaking in the state of Hidalgo on Wednesday, Fox said the arms issue would be "a principal topic" in talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who is scheduled to arrive on Monday. Fox gave few details, but said possible projects include "the installation of a large maintenance center for helicopters" as the first step in a plan to assemble helicopters in the Gulf Coast state of Veracruz.

The president said he also hoped to sign an agreement with Putin for a plant that would assemble heavy machinery "for the military industry, heavy machinery for the construction industry, heavy and transport machinery for various uses that occur in a dynamic economy." Fox said that factory was intended for Ciudad Sahagun, about 80 kilometers (50 miles) northeast of Mexico City. The president mentioned the arms plans briefly during a speech dedicated to regional economic development. Mexico largely avoided Russian equipment during the Cold War.

But since the collapse of the Soviet Bloc, it has begun to adopt some Russian equipment, which is less expensive than that sold by the neighboring United States or most European suppliers. The Air Force and Navy operate at least 56 Russian-made transport helicopters, according to the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

Retired Gen. Luis Garcías Magaña, a former federal congressman, said Mexico would have to carefully study which Russian material should be made here, "not because it is bad, but because the investment is very high." "Weapons and helicopters that is complicated because you not only have to bring the factory but also bring experts, as they did with former Soviets in Cuba, to train Mexican personnel." He noted that such factories often can be used for civilian production as well. "From the practical point of view, the Mexican armed forces don't need huge things." Marco Vicenzino, a Latin America specialist at the IISS Washington office, said the projects were not likely to create a problem with the United States. "You're not talking missiles here," he said. "I don't see any major threat." "It just gives competition for the market."

50 posted on 04/07/2005 7:37:16 AM PDT by Wolf_Lochert (Ask me about my vow of silence.)
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