R.C. Sproul: Schiavo's Death Marks America's Move Toward 'Neo-Barbarism'

Agape ^ | Ap 5 05 | Allie Martin, Bill Fancher, and Jenni Parker

[LadyPilgrim]

Thank you for this post!

RC Sproul is a wonderful Bible teacher.

http://www.ligonier.org/ .....this is RC's web ministry site!

Lord! Thank You, for blessing Your people!

[foreverfree]

bump

[utahagen]

And dehydration, perhaps an even more gruesome way to die than starvation.

[balrog666]

Yeah, what does it matter if Terri was starved to death for money? Jeez, these right-wing theocrats are such one-notes, am I right?

Yes, exactly.

[JWinNC]

Cheers for Dr. Sproul.

[connectthedots]

ksen, I thought Sproul believed in predestination as to all events, including the manner of Terri's death. care to comment?

[fishtank]

[joesnuffy]

God knows what is going to happen...he is both omniscient and omnipotent..

Man is neither and thereby must operate under God's rules
for men

'Thou shalt not kill' being one rule
'Whatsoever you do to the least of these you do also unto me' being another rule -God the Son- gave mankind to obey...

hth

[Dante3]

One of the most moving statements about the Terri Schiavo killing was made by Martin Katz (The American Thinker).

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

What a crock - she was dead 15 years ago.

No she wasn't ! Everything Functioned except that her thought process was very very slow dead NO ! handicapped YES !

[connectthedots]

I know that. I was trying to make a point with ksen that ksen beliueves that God predestined/foreordained the timing and manner of Terri's death.

[Ff--150]

"I think that if you read them objectively you would come to a different conclusion."

2 Pet. 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

[l.tecolote]

> What a crock - she was dead 15 years ago.

And the evidence on which you're basing your position?

Is it from the few euthanasia-oriented doctors whose opinions JINO Greer preferred to believe in the decisional court hearing on that issue? I've read that was a 3-2 decision as to whether she was in the hard-to define and often misdiagnosed PVS condition. It most assuredly was not the position of at least 30 medical professionals who, post-judgment, voluntarily stepped forward to provide affidavits of medical facts in opposition. This much larger group of medical professionals felt sufficiently and profoundly concerned enough about what they believed was an inaccurate diagnosis. They urged first-time thorough testing to fully diagnose and know Terri's actual condition. But JINO Greer, HINO and Felos weren't about to permit derailment of their full-steam ahead effort to execute Terri, a disabled and legally-helpless woman. Both federal and Florida laws were violated to achieve this tragic result. This evil triumvir has never disclosed why they were so adamantly opposed to a complete battery of medical tests for Terri.

Yes, Terri was brain-damaged. It's been reported that not even HINO made the claim that she was brain-dead. One thing for sure, she was not dying before Greer's civil order of execution forced dehydration and starvation on her. That's what caused her death; not her brain-damaged condition. Had she been brain-dead, her body would have expired on it's own without Greer's order. PVS was the official position of Greer's ruling. I suggest you find and read Florida's definition of PVS. It's defined differently from brain-dead.

IMHO, you are free to take that position for yourself, but only for yourself. None of us have the moral right to impose such a final decision on another human. Stalin and the Communist party, Hitler and the Nazis, and countless other tyrannies throughout history held the same view. Since that's the position you've apparently chosen, your choice, but it's certainly not a distinguished group with which you're aligning yourself.

[keeper53]

What are you saying?! RC Sproul is a highly respected theologian. I personally think he is one of Christianity's most eloquent spokesmen.

Please refrain from slandering him!

keeper

"Remember this; or you may fall into error by fixing your minds so much upon the faith which is the channel of salvation as to forget the grace which is the fountain and source even of faith itself. Faith is the work of God's grace in us. No man comes to Me," says Jesus, "except the Father who sent Me draws him. . .Grace is the first and last moving cause of salvation; and faith, essential as it is, is only an important part of the machinery which grace employs. We are saved "through faith," but salvation is 'by grace.'"

CHARLES SPURGEON

[Tamar1973]

'Neo-Barbarism'

There's nothing "neo" about starving people to death. Hitler, Stalin, Mao did a much better job of it than Michael Schiavo or Judge Geer.

[Aliska]

Actually this is the not the first one. The Quinlan case was the first that involved court, but that was a little different. Then there was the Cruzan case that went to the Supreme Court and bounced back to the Missouri courts. In the Wendland case out in California, he died of pneumonia while they were still battling it out in court. I should have been paying more attention.

Terri is definitely the most high profile one and the most dastardly. It was slow and terrible. We musn't forget that they had done this to her twice before, and she must have suffered some ill effects during those attempts until the feeding tube was ordered restored.

BTW I just heard on the radio that her funeral mass was being said. May God rest her soul and give her family peace.

[ArmyTeach]

"What a crock - she was dead 15 years ago."
Your statement is unfortunate. There is a room for disagreement among experts in the field regarding Terri's level of consciousness. PVS is misdiagnosed 40% of the time. On top of that, the are many other unresolved matters in the case which should have been resolved before Terri was dehydrated.

[Guenevere]

I deeply respect the thoughts and wisdom of RC Sproul...

..and he is spot on with this piece...

Thanks for the post.

[tacomonkey2002]

Listening to the MSM I got a very different picture than the one I received for knowledgeable post here on FR[[

???

The media was practically salivating with Mike Schiavo for her to die....
But Felos was the worst...he looked like he was near ecstasy...eww.
tom

[tacomonkey2002]

http://www.euthanasia.com/page5.html

Everyone needs to see this site.
jmho
tom