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Minutemen find few migrants (Police in Mexico discouraging illegal crossings)
Arizona Daily Star ^

Posted on 04/05/2005 8:34:29 AM PDT by Kokojmudd

By Michael Marizco ARIZONA DAILY STAR

NACO, SONORA – A Mexican military Humvee moves across the cow pasture; soldiers nod at federal agents in bright orange shirts roving by on ATVs. An hour later, a Sonora State Preventive Police truck moves through a sandy wash, the officers looking for migrants waiting to sneak across the border.

Across the barbed-wire border in Arizona early Monday, excitement grips Minuteman Project volunteers when they observe a group of six people moving north.

Dan Russell, 62, watches the group walking toward him. "They're getting closer," he says. "They could just be reporters." They are.

In the first few days of the Minuteman Project, volunteers have been slowing illegal immigration into the Naco area.They've accomplished that with the help of an unlikely ally: Mexico.

Eager to avoid confrontations between volunteers and its people, Mexico is sweeping the area south of the Minuteman Project clear of migrants.

Gov. Eduardo Bours Castelo has placed 44 members of the new state police force across the border at La Morita, a cattle ranch that leads directly to the border south of Bisbee, said Diego Padilla the governor's Arizona representative.

The state police are working with Grupo Beta, Mexico's migrant protection force, which is plucking migrants out of the desert and depositing them in nearby Agua Prieta, where they are encouraged to wait before trying to cross.

"We are very crude with them; we tell them they may be shot, that there's rancheros out to stop them and hurt them," said Enrique Enriques Palafox, a Grupo Beta commander in Agua Prieta. The point is to terrify the migrants from the area so they won't cross illegally and encounter Minuteman volunteers, he said.

Sunday, the coordinated efforts of the military, Grupo Beta, and the new police force pulled 22 groups of migrants out of the ranch, Palafox said. By Monday, only a handful of people had to be told to go somewhere else.

Even as the Minuteman Project brought national attention to Cochise County's border woes, volunteers had few encounters with illegal entrants. But their presence has brought Mexican law enforcement to this part of the border, and that has had the effect of slowing illegal immigration.

Organizer James Gilchrist said Sunday that volunteers had reported 118 illegal entrants to the U.S. Border Patrol. There is no way to confirm that, because the agency's Tucson Sector says it doesn't keep track of Minuteman callers separately from normal calls from citizens about illegal border crossers.

Since Friday, when the protest started, there have been 78 citizen call-ins leading to the apprehension of 162 people, said Border Patrol spokesman Andy Adame.

What Minuteman volunteers have succeeded in doing is setting off false alarms by tripping ground sensors on the border, he said.

"We're having to work around them instead of concentrating on the actual border where we need to work," Adame said.

The number of illegal entrant apprehensions at the Naco station has dropped.

U.S. and Mexican officials say it's because of Mexico's efforts.

Minuteman organizers say otherwise. "We're having an impact," Gilchrist said Sunday.

● Contact reporter Michael Marizco at 573-4213 or at mmarizco@azstarnet.com.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; minutemanproject
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To: ClintonBeGone
It would be like you trying to show up the US post office by delivering mail on Sunday. They don't want any possible perception what problems exist lie with them.

Then it is a good thing that the MM is there to do the BP's job, isn't it?

161 posted on 04/05/2005 10:28:05 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: harrowup
Paranoia or rabble rousing or stupidity or just plain old fashioned baiting which you enjoy so much we don't get to read your breathless prose from the front lines. A bunch of drama queens at the opera waiting for the fat lady to sing...

I'm not taking the bait, troll. What happened, did that other thread you were trolling in dry up and you had to come over here?

162 posted on 04/05/2005 10:29:17 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: ClintonBeGone

MMK? wouldn't know.

but definatly not MMP material. you have to be a Patriot and love this country and respect it's laws to be willing to do what the MMP is doing. pretty well rules you out imo


163 posted on 04/05/2005 10:30:26 AM PDT by sdpatriot (remember waco and ruby ridge)
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To: cripplecreek

Sensors? WHERE IS THE WALL!

Sensors can be fooled.


164 posted on 04/05/2005 10:30:50 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: DaGman

Yes, they may cross the border in another place, hopefully in the hands of the border patrol in that area. You see, the MMP is working.


165 posted on 04/05/2005 10:33:03 AM PDT by SR 50 (Larry)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Then it is a good thing that the MM is there to do the BP's job, isn't it?

Depends. From whose perspective do you ask?

166 posted on 04/05/2005 10:35:47 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: snowman1
What I would like to know is how many checks for SS are sent to a Mexican address??????.

I bet there are a lot of old US citizens living there.
Living is a lot cheaper and there are no illegals.:)

167 posted on 04/05/2005 10:35:51 AM PDT by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: exodus
They must be illegals, since everyone from President Bush on down tell us that American citizens refuse to work under those conditions.

So in your mind anyone who is not an American citizen is illegal?

168 posted on 04/05/2005 10:36:38 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Kokojmudd

"Could that be the reason there are less illegal immigrants crossing the border here in AZ? "

Actually, it's going to be whatever story works best for the front men of this group. Like I said before, Maxine Waters has the CIA/crack story going on, your side will need to create a reason too.


169 posted on 04/05/2005 10:38:26 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone
It's even less difficult to see your agenda. And the last word I heard out of an official BP spokesmen is that they have enough agents. That the MMP is NOT needed.

Are you changing your tune on that one as well?

170 posted on 04/05/2005 10:39:09 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: ClintonBeGone
You are correct, I erred. I was certain I remembered said bill passing, but it indeed did not. It's worth reading a recent article from the Detroit News, however Feds track phony Mich. driver IDs
171 posted on 04/05/2005 10:40:27 AM PDT by leoncaruthers
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To: carenot

they don't send checks any more. They only direct deposit to checking/savings accounts advice of deposits are the only things in the mail.

Problems with mailmen being held up at least in my area.
I used to go outside on the first of the month to make sure my dear mail carrier was ok.


172 posted on 04/05/2005 10:41:13 AM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: ClintonBeGone; dirtboy
To: dirtboy
Perhaps. Maybe more disappointing (for you) is there really isn't a border problem and the numbers these MMK'ers claim are simply bogus.
# 7 by ClintonBeGone

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The article states that in one day, the Mexican forces stopped 22 groups of illegal migrants south of the city of Bisbee. That's whole lot of travelers, a very small area, and a short length of time.

Do you claim that the Mexican government inflated those numbers to dramatize an imaginary problem?

173 posted on 04/05/2005 10:42:51 AM PDT by exodus
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To: Dead Corpse

I would love to see that quote.


174 posted on 04/05/2005 10:45:23 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone

It's right next to the source for your information. Go fetch.


175 posted on 04/05/2005 10:46:29 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: ClintonBeGone
So in your mind anyone who is not an American citizen is illegal?
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Are you telling me that legal migrants are willing to wait in line for years in order to get a chance to work in those "horrible" conditions?

If so, how do you justify allowing illegals into the country, when we could get legal migrants to do the work our government says we are not willing to do?

176 posted on 04/05/2005 10:47:59 AM PDT by exodus
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To: longtermmemmory
Sensors? WHERE IS THE WALL!

Didn't you hear? NAFTA was actually meant to be NAFBC: North American Free Border Crossings.

Politicians "don't need no steenking wall" if illegals can vote them back into office.

BTW first hand experience in Indy.....massive increase of hispanic population (mainly Southside of Indy) in the past 10 years. Wife's school is swamped with many children without English skills.

Initial wave hit when cheap(?), extra construction labor was needed after a series of severe storms that damaged countless homes...including my own.

Always wondered about the mechanism that started the flood....Insurance or construction companies wanting the cheapest, non-union labor? NFC...perhaps another FReeper has seen this in their city.

177 posted on 04/05/2005 10:51:55 AM PDT by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: ClintonBeGone; cripplecreek
cripplecreek - Apparently the sensors aren't tripped by the thousands of illegals who pass every single day. ClintonBeGone - Maybe there are not thousands that pass every day. There probably aren't even hundreds. Immigration is like global warming or population control - those with an agenda simply make up the numbers.
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This article we're discussing has the Mexican government claiming 22 groups of illegals stopped south of one American city.

It's a conservative estimate to assume a "group" would be 10 or more, thus in one day, south of one city, over 200 migrants would have entered the United States if they had not been stopped.

178 posted on 04/05/2005 10:57:21 AM PDT by exodus
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To: Kokojmudd

U.S. and Mexican officials say it's because of Mexico's efforts.

lol that's so laughably assinine it borders on ludicrous

Mexico wouldn't be doing SQUAT if the Minutemen Volunteers weren't on the border.

Jackasses, all of them. Mexican and American government officials, nothing but jackasses.


179 posted on 04/05/2005 10:59:46 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: ClintonBeGone

Are you really that daft????

Wait, you probably are.


180 posted on 04/05/2005 10:59:47 AM PDT by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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