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Seattle think tank raises questions about evolution
Charlotte Observer & The Seattle Times ^ | 04/05/2005 | LINDA SHAW

Posted on 04/05/2005 7:42:56 AM PDT by bedolido

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To: Publius6961
"Totally irrelevant non-sequitur. That's like arguing that if a huge meteor strikes and leaves a huge geologic hole, it verifies the theory and role of erosion."

Wrong.

"I see neither a necessity nor a possibility of a nexus between insecticides and evolution."

Then you know nothing about science.

41 posted on 04/05/2005 8:45:37 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
"Being correct on one thing does not a proven theory make."

Evolution has correctly predicted and/or explained a huge number of things in many areas of biology and medicine, not just one.

42 posted on 04/05/2005 8:45:45 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: DesertSapper
"True predictions yet all fall neatly inside the realm of micro-evolution / intra-species adaptation. This in no way shows anything at all that would indicate one species is becoming another."

There is no such distinction (i.e. there is no such theory as "micro-evolution"). The idea of "micro-evolution" is a weasel-word concept because the creationists CANNOT deny the facts of genetic change caused by the mutation/natural selection mechanism---so they try to have it both ways by coining new language.

There is only evolution---not "micro evolution and species change" as two separate issues.

43 posted on 04/05/2005 8:45:55 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Mark Felton



Why are evolution and creationism at odds. Creation is open for interpretation.


44 posted on 04/05/2005 8:48:02 AM PDT by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: bedolido
i am ex-military and a 2nd amendment activist; i support the conservative movement and regard religious activists as "allies" in the fight against liberal radicals. however those of you who seek to attack evolution are wacko-nut-jobs and i will not support that position.

leave scientists and science alone.
45 posted on 04/05/2005 8:49:41 AM PDT by thejokker
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Understood. Again, I never saw religion and science as addressing the same topics, in the same way, in any event.


46 posted on 04/05/2005 8:49:50 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: concerned about politics
Do what my wife and I did after the last school year - home-school the kids! Best move we've made for our children's education.

My boys learn much more in science class now than ever before and GOD is the center and creator of this world's wonders. There is no contradiction between creation and science in these textbooks. Quite the contrary: God made science and we can use it to observe the awesome power of his creation.

I am amazed at His creation and dumbfounded that a scientist wouldn't be.

47 posted on 04/05/2005 8:50:05 AM PDT by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country)
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To: bedolido
His goal - a big one - is to change the very definition of science...

At least the reporter noticed this. DI's (now openly stated) purpose is to destroy the idea that scientific inquiry is a valid method of obtaining knowledge. In this aim, they have powerfull allies such as the postmoderndeconstructionists, the new-agers, and scientologists to name a few.

48 posted on 04/05/2005 8:51:55 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: PatrickHenry

Spiced Ham attack?


49 posted on 04/05/2005 8:53:21 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: bedolido

bump


50 posted on 04/05/2005 8:54:00 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: DesertSapper


You teach evolution too, right?

Evolution- Like that some wolves evolved into dogs. That's proven.


51 posted on 04/05/2005 8:54:32 AM PDT by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: thejokker
Who seeks to "attack evolution"? Oh, and just because you disagree with me, that doesn't make me a "wacko-nut-job". Oh yeah, I'm an old combat engineer Platoon Sergeant, love guns, am a die-hard conservative, and fight the liberals too. That makes us allies.

I am willing to listen (and have to decades) to the other side of the evolution argument. However, I see a looooooong list of contradictions and inaccuracies that Darwinists refuse to address. That is BAD science.

God created our intellect and we should pursue our science with all vigor . . . but not refuse to acknowledge things that don't fit with our "theory" just because it may require admitting "something higher" than man exists.

52 posted on 04/05/2005 9:01:09 AM PDT by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
What is 6 days to God?

"A day is but a thousand years, and a thousand years is but a day".
Quantum physicist have discovered time is a dimensional thing. There are 7 "heavens", and there are "dimensions" found in modern science. Once a molecule switches dimensions, time changes. Even going faster than the speed of light changes time.

53 posted on 04/05/2005 9:04:08 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Mark Felton
You have quoted many famous people in an effort that is known as "argument by authority". You basically provide subjective opinions of others, and offer it as an independently verifiable fact based on those people's position of prominence and authority. Again, this is false reasoning.

I can find literally MILLIONS of people that enjoy smoking cigarettes, many of them are even physicians. Does that mean smoking is a good idea?

On the other end of the spectrum, I can find people of history that are reviled and hated, yet if they say something that is true, it does not make it false. If Adolf Hitler said to you, "Two plus two equals four.", you would HAVE to agree with him, no matter how much you disliked him.

Finding lot's of people who share your OPINION, is not the same as providing ACTUAL EVIDENCE.
54 posted on 04/05/2005 9:13:21 AM PDT by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
The curriculum teaches provable/observable micro-evolutionary adaptation within the species. No disagreement there with any other school. Since wolves and dogs belong to the same species, C. Lupus, of course it's proven.

My kids do study macro-evolution also but only to the point that they understand the theory. They know that it is a theory and has countless holes that have not been resolved.

Here's part you don't grasp about homeshcooling: this is MY school and it will reflect my beliefs. That's why I homeschool. If you don't like my teaching - don't send your kids to my house! Notice that my school, unlike public schools, is willing to inform its students of theories that contradict our core beliefs! I don't have to but do, public schools should but don't.

Now, as for public schools . . . they use my money to shovel bad science to kids who swallow it whole and ignore ID as if it doesn't exist as an alternate theory.

55 posted on 04/05/2005 9:20:42 AM PDT by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country)
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To: DesertSapper
Do what my wife and I did after the last school year - home-school the kids! Best move we've made for our children's education.

We do home school. We always have. We're going on 10 years of teaching our own, and the kids just keep coming! We don't want atheism forced on our kids by the federal government.
If they taught both "theories", maybe things would get safer and better in the public schools. In the mean time, the kids are killing themselves and each other, and the poor things can't even read!

56 posted on 04/05/2005 9:20:46 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: DesertSapper
I am willing to listen (and have to decades) to the other side of the evolution argument. However, I see a looooooong list of contradictions and inaccuracies that Darwinists refuse to address. That is BAD science.

Such as? List them and I'll address them.

Prediction: You will respond with a list of misrepresentations about science from creationist sources, not actual "contradictions and inaccuracies" that "Darwinists refuse to address".

57 posted on 04/05/2005 9:22:34 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: thejokker
leave scientists and science alone.

A powerful and scientific defense of the indefensible!

I believe that was one of the favorite defenses of Bill Clinton: Just leave him alone.

58 posted on 04/05/2005 9:22:41 AM PDT by Dataman
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To: DesertSapper
The curriculum teaches provable/observable micro-evolutionary adaptation within the species. No disagreement there with any other school. Since wolves and dogs belong to the same species, C. Lupus, of course it's proven.

Strike one: Domestic dogs are not members of C. lupus. And "macroevolution" is equally "provable/observable" -- you're doing your kids a huge disservice if you falsely tell them that it's not.

My kids do study macro-evolution also but only to the point that they understand the theory. They know that it is a theory and has countless holes that have not been resolved.

Such as? Let's see if you're teaching your children science -- or propaganda.

Here's part you don't grasp about homeshcooling: this is MY school and it will reflect my beliefs. That's why I homeschool. If you don't like my teaching - don't send your kids to my house! Notice that my school, unlike public schools, is willing to inform its students of theories that contradict our core beliefs! I don't have to but do, public schools should but don't.

Just be sure you're not crippling your kids' education by teaching them creationist misinformation.

Now, as for public schools . . . they use my money to shovel bad science to kids who swallow it whole and ignore ID as if it doesn't exist as an alternate theory.

Most creationist homeschooling curricula are prime examples of "shoveling bad science to kids who swallow it whole". You wouldn't be using Kent Hovind's materials, would you?

59 posted on 04/05/2005 9:26:45 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: concerned about politics
God bless you and your family!

Home schooling is not easy (though my much-better-half does most of the teaching/grading) and takes dedication. We are of the same mind in that we have decided that our kids are worth the cost!

By-the-way, we have been using the Abeka system exclusively this year. My sister-in-law selects her texts from multiple curriculums. There are any number of ways to do this and being new at it, I need input. Any suggestions for this "newbie" homeschooling dad?

60 posted on 04/05/2005 9:28:35 AM PDT by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country)
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