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Advisor: Reagan Threatened War Over Poland
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| 4/4/05
| Phil Brennan
Posted on 04/04/2005 5:29:57 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: Walkure
nd 150,000 or so East German NVA troops would have simply moved out of the way The East Germans' might have, or more correctly stayed out of the way. They had no love for the Soviets (or the Poles) and wouldn't want to mess up what they had (best economy in the Soviet Block, or close to it) to save the Polish communist's bacon.
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posted on
04/04/2005 10:28:01 PM PDT
by
El Gato
(Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
To: Forgiven_Sinner
Mass formations are not possible without air superiority and the Soviets didn't have it. Actually it would have been very much in doubt who got air superiority or supremeacy. Probably neither side. We had better stuff, but they had lots more.
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posted on
04/04/2005 10:30:07 PM PDT
by
El Gato
(Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
To: El Gato
"The East Germans' might have, or more correctly stayed out of the way"
In 1981, East Germany's military was a sockpuppet of the Soviet Union. If the Soviets told it to jump, the East German NVA would merely ask "how high?"
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posted on
04/05/2005 4:34:44 AM PDT
by
Walkure
To: El Gato
The East Germans' might have, or more correctly stayed out of the way. I had the good luck to attend East Germany's last October Parade in 1989 in East Berlin.
Equipment was lined up and down the sidestreets, waiting for the parade to begin. All along the streets were these little East German and Soviet flags stuck into the ground side-by-side.
I was walking along with a friend, who was a German linguist, looking at the equipment and we came across a Soviet flag which had fallen over. An East German T72 was parked on the road right next to this flag. As I bent over to pick up the Soviet flag, a tanker on the T72 said something. I just smiled, kept the flag and kept walking.
As we moved away from the tank I asked my buddy what the tanker had said. My buddy said, "He said to take the flag and throw it under his treads." We both got a kick out of it.
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posted on
04/05/2005 6:47:58 AM PDT
by
VeniVidiVici
(In God We Trust. All Others We Monitor.)
To: WoofDog123
Interesting. How did Noriega(sp) get away from the coupsters?
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posted on
04/05/2005 7:47:02 AM PDT
by
traviskicks
(http://www.neoperspectives.com/foundingoftheunitedstates.htm)
To: traviskicks
He outlasted them, he was held prisoner in his office for several hours. They asked southcom to come get him, which southcom did NOT. loyalist units took control of the building eventually, the coup people surrendered, and the major leading it was executed.
To: Churchillspirit
Very true. I was simply pointing out that had the European powers acted at the first sign of Nazi belligerence, Hitler would have been powerless to stop them. He knew it, but counted on his opponents weakness and extracted concession afetr concession until he miscalculated on Poland. The German generals we horrified that Britain and France would react to the invasion of Poland, but Hitler's track record left them too timid to oppose him. That and the fact that Hitler had purged strong Army leaders who might have put up a fight.
To: wagglebee
Polish armed forces would have fought against the Soviets, and commanders that ordered troops to fire on fellow Poles would have been killed by their own troops.
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posted on
04/05/2005 9:05:05 AM PDT
by
dfwgator
(It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
To: wagglebee
"We owe him our liberty."
-Lech Walesa on Ronald Reagan.
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posted on
04/05/2005 9:05:50 AM PDT
by
T. Buzzard Trueblood
("I have to march because my mother could not have an abortion."-Rep. Maxine Waters, D-CA)
To: Reaganwuzthebest
I think tha the Soviets were planning a bit more than Poland, i.e., march west from the InterGerman border. Do a check on Colonel Kuklinski, a Polish army officer who leaked the Warsaw Pact warplan to the CIA. The balloon was about to go up.
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posted on
04/05/2005 9:14:22 AM PDT
by
Fred Hayek
(I live in Minnesota, I run a business in Minnesota, but I remain a TEXAN!)
To: thag
I was at FS Berlin reading early-birds from 1981 - 1984
some interesting times
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posted on
04/05/2005 10:45:16 AM PDT
by
Dstorm
To: Fred Hayek
I think tha the Soviets were planning a bit more than Poland, i.e., march west from the InterGerman border. If not for being bogged down in Afghanistan anything could have been possible with the Soviet communists. It had always been their dream since Stalin to colonize Western Europe.
To: Dstorm; ASA Vet
Funny how there seems to be more and more of us that were in Berlin or Auggie or others.
Are you on ASA Vet's MI ping list? It's not overwhelming and we see some good stuff.
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posted on
04/05/2005 12:18:42 PM PDT
by
VeniVidiVici
(In God We Trust. All Others We Monitor.)
To: VeniVidiVici
Not on the ping list, I was a Mech (33S) Main shop for awhile (Under the Kennard's) then worked Search
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posted on
04/05/2005 12:28:31 PM PDT
by
Dstorm
To: traumer
The three greatest leaders of the 20th Century who helped free hundreds of millions of people, have accumulated a grand total of zero Nobel Peace Prizes....
At least Lech Walesa grabbed one.
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posted on
04/05/2005 12:43:00 PM PDT
by
Lukasz
To: Churchillspirit
Well, seeing your username, I think that it will be really interesting lecture for you.
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posted on
04/05/2005 12:46:37 PM PDT
by
Lukasz
To: Peelod
What is Wojciech Jaruzelski doing now?
What is funny, Putin invited Jaruzelski to celebrations of WWII victory in Moscow. (Jaruzelski fought in the eastern front)
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posted on
04/05/2005 12:50:25 PM PDT
by
Lukasz
To: Dstorm
As an O5D in Auggie I knew quite a few of the mechs. As a 98C in Berlin didn't have much of an opportunity to meet them. Kinnard sure sounds familiar though.
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posted on
04/05/2005 12:55:41 PM PDT
by
VeniVidiVici
(In God We Trust. All Others We Monitor.)
To: VeniVidiVici
An FR mail invitation has been sent to dstorm.
Thanks.
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posted on
04/05/2005 1:06:13 PM PDT
by
ASA Vet
(What if tag lines were no longer optional?)
To: VeniVidiVici
I was in Augsburg then. Not at the FS, but in the Signal Bn that included FS support. Good beer and schnitzel at many places nearby!
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posted on
04/05/2005 1:09:05 PM PDT
by
thag
(Notice How They Called it a "Thagline"?)
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