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Border Patrol Complains That Volunteers Are Tripping Sensors Used to Detect Illegal Crossers(DRUDGE)
AP ^ | 4/4/05 | Arthur H. Rotstein

Posted on 04/04/2005 12:44:34 PM PDT by Crackingham

Volunteers who have converged on the Mexican border to watch for illegal immigrants are disrupting U.S. Border Patrol operations by unwittingly tripping sensors that alert agents to possible intruders, an agency spokesman complained Monday. Scores of participants in the Minuteman Project began assembling late last week and planned to begin regular patrols on Monday, in an exercise some law enforcement authorities and civil rights groups fear will result in vigilante violence. Many of the volunteers were recruited over the Internet, and some planned to be armed. Over the past few days, they have set off sensors, forcing agents to respond to false alarms, said Supervisory Border Patrol Agent Jose Maheda.

"Every sensor has to be addressed," Maheda said. "It's taken away from our normal operations."

The volunteers planned to start fanning out Monday across 23 miles of the San Pedro Valley to watch the border and report any illegal activity to federal agents. The idea, according to project organizers, is partly to draw attention to problems on the Arizona-Mexico border, considered the most porous stretch of the 2,000-mile southern border. Of the 1.1 million illegal immigrants caught by the Border Patrol last year, 51 percent crossed into the country at the Arizona border.

Jim Coniglio of Tucson, who plans to patrol with other volunteers this week, said residents in some areas of the border have complained of being "overrun routinely" by migrants. "They're feeling insecure," he said.

The Border Patrol opposes the operation. "The possibility for something going drastically wrong is very high," Maheda said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; apanceonfier; apeanut4you; apeasement; apenemy1; apenemyuno; aphitpeice; apos; apropaganda; apsentoftruth; bordersecurity; minutemanproject
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To: 19th LA Inf
Actually, about 30 years ago I worked for a company that built airborne night vision equipment. We made a call on US Border Patrol headquarters to show how our stuff could help them. Even then they estimated about 3 million illegals were entering each year.

30 years * 3 million/year = 90 million illegals? Thats about a quarter of the population??

61 posted on 04/04/2005 3:29:14 PM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: bigbob

""Every sensor has to be addressed," Maheda said. "It's taken away from our normal operations.""

Excuse me sleepy, but your normal operations suck.


62 posted on 04/04/2005 3:30:24 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Crackingham

Let me guess, the Oinion, right? Did I win?


63 posted on 04/04/2005 3:31:22 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: HiJinx

He is worried that the MMP will cause the USBP to wear out their fingers pushing the 'reset' button on the sensor alarm panel.

He should be happy. He'll be able to report to Washington that the apprehension rate in his sector dropped significantly. Of course, they will pat themselves on the back, and claim that Operation Twiddlefingers was responsible, instead of the MMP. And he will reap the resultant kudos and pay grade increases. Ahh, the US Government at work.


64 posted on 04/04/2005 3:31:35 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Our legal system is in a PVS. Time to remove it from the public feeding trough.)
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To: Sybeck1
"Are these sensors on private property?"

That is potentially a very interesting question. Isn't it?

65 posted on 04/04/2005 3:34:14 PM PDT by Stormcrow ("It's not that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so.")
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To: rmmcdaniell

Alot of it is the same illegals going back and forth. They go home for Christmas, family reasons, etc, then head back here when they are done. So we are counting the same people over and over and over and over...


66 posted on 04/04/2005 3:34:18 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Our legal system is in a PVS. Time to remove it from the public feeding trough.)
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To: HiJinx

"BP Commander of the Tucson sector"

" Illegals sense my power, but I deny them my essense"


67 posted on 04/04/2005 3:39:46 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Spiff

Thanks for expressing my thoughts, exactly.


68 posted on 04/04/2005 3:40:41 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: cripplecreek

If you look at some of the letters from proponents on the MMP website, there's several from anonymous BP agents - happy to be getting some attention drawn to their frustrating job.


69 posted on 04/04/2005 3:41:49 PM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Bush talks about jobs Americans won't do - one we will do is (undocumented) U.S. Border Patrol Agent)
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To: Hi Heels

One new keyboard, please!!


70 posted on 04/04/2005 3:42:23 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Crackingham
"Every sensor has to be addressed," Maheda said. "It's taken away from our normal operations."

Normal operations means ignoring every sensor that is tripped. Can't get away with that this month, hence the frustrated whining to AP.

71 posted on 04/04/2005 3:43:28 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Crackingham

The Border Patrol is probably tripping over their own sensor. They couldn't find their own arse with both hands, how can they remember where they placed their sensors?


72 posted on 04/04/2005 3:49:25 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Have the Democrats,our RINOs and their MSM ever met a skunk too stinking to snuggle up to?)
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To: doc30

Instructions in Spanish are posted at each sensor, explaining to the illegal aliens just how to reset them and turn off that agravating blinking light on the board back at BP control. The volunteers just leave them blinking until BP agents go out and reset them.


73 posted on 04/04/2005 4:01:25 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Have the Democrats,our RINOs and their MSM ever met a skunk too stinking to snuggle up to?)
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To: Crackingham

Hey......Border Patrol..........just shut up and be GRATEFUL that you live and work in a country of people who actually give enough of a fiddler's damn to help you guard our borders.

God I'm so tired of pansy-assed bureaucrats.


74 posted on 04/04/2005 4:17:08 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: rmmcdaniell
The 3 million per year estimate in 1974 undoubtedly contained many duplications due to illegals being caught, shipped back and coming through again. Also a large unknown number of them only stay long enough to earn some money and then go home voluntarily.

I read a long story recently about men in the Dallas area who crowd into apartments, six or ten at a time. There are a number of night clubs they frequent, and a lot of fights are common as well as prostitution, etc. None are likely to file any complaint with police and lose their cover. There seems to be a lot of what we would call homosexual activity, but they don't consider it that because they have "real" wives or girlfriends back in Mexico.

75 posted on 04/04/2005 4:19:21 PM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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To: cripplecreek
It's the higher ups that officially oppose them.

All the way up to the White House...amazing (and disgusting).

76 posted on 04/04/2005 4:50:07 PM PDT by janetgreen (President Bush - CONTROL THE MEXICAN BORDER!!)
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To: rockabyebaby; All
Hey guys. Lay off the BP. For every cop car I see, I see 50 BP trucks. Just by driving around, doing my errands, I see the BP packing illegals into paddy wagons. They almost land on my house about once a month, chasing illegals out of the underbrush.

There's a roadblock, just a few miles north of Huachuca City (south of hwy 10) where the BP pull over and check every vehicle. Last summer I was driving through at night, heading to Tucson. I was about a mile past the barrier when I saw three fellas, doubled over, running in the weeds on the side of the road. BP just didn't see them.

The BP is doing their job. They need more bodies, more equipment and a darn *MOAT*FENCE*BARRIER* to do it better. And they don't need (my beloved)administration inviting the trouble makers *in*!

77 posted on 04/04/2005 4:50:24 PM PDT by Marie (~shhhhh...~ The liberals are sleeping....)
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To: Crackingham
Over the past few days, they have set off sensors, forcing agents to respond to false alarms, said Supervisory Border Patrol Agent Jose Maheda.

``Every sensor has to be addressed,'' Maheda said. ``It's taken away from our normal operations.''

``The possibility for something going drastically wrong is very high,'' Maheda said.

I wonder if he endorses Neighborhood Watch where he lives?

If the SOB [Slacking Obstructive Borderista ;)] wants to complain about having to actually do his job, maybe he should be reminded who the public is, and who the servant really is.

78 posted on 04/04/2005 4:50:59 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Only those without honor eat dead food, rather than making every meal a fight!)
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To: Crackingham

I'm sure the Border Patrol will do what they usually do...ignore it.


79 posted on 04/04/2005 4:53:22 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I have a big truck)
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To: Kokojmudd

Exactamundo, mi amigo.

If a wall is wrong, why are sensors right?

Answer? Because a wall would work.

It sounds to me like authorities may be trying to say that not as many illegals are coming across as the MMPs report OR MMPs are trying to make it look like more illegals are getting across than actually are.




80 posted on 04/04/2005 5:14:05 PM PDT by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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