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Orthodox Church Patriarch Expresses Condolences at Pope's Death
VOA.com ^ | 03 April 2005

Posted on 04/03/2005 11:18:53 AM PDT by lizol

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Patriarch Alexy said he hopes the Orthodox and Roman churches can renew their "relations of mutual respect and fraternal Christian love" in the future, after a new Catholic pope is chosen.

So - what - is that supposed to mean, that he considers John Pauld II as personally responsible for lack of dialogue between Catholic ad Orthodox Church????

Well, I've just seen TV news on Polish TV, some report from Moscow about Russian reactions to Pope's death. There was an interview with some Orthodox priest, who said, that there is no dialogue between Catholic and Orthodox Church, so they are not going to pray for the Pope in Russian Orthodox churches.

Protestants, Jews, Muslims are praying for Him, and Orthodox are not (and are proud of it enough to announce it in public).

Hmmmm, indeed - great move to start building the dialogue (sarcasm).
1 posted on 04/03/2005 11:18:57 AM PDT by lizol
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To: anonymoussierra; Lukasz; Grzegorz 246; twinself; ms_68

Ping!


2 posted on 04/03/2005 11:20:34 AM PDT by lizol
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Maybe it means exactly what he said, and not all the bogus stuff you made up and falsely attributed to him, in a spirit of defamatory anger.


3 posted on 04/03/2005 11:28:33 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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Our Archbishop Kyrill of the Orthodox Church in America was personal friends with the Pope since the days they attended college together in Switzerland. Archbishop Kyrill frequently serves at my church, he was there today. He said that Pope John Paul II did more to mend the rifts between the Orthodox and the Roman Catholic churches than any Pope in many centuries. Yes, we prayed for John Paul II. May his memory be eternal!


4 posted on 04/03/2005 11:29:31 AM PDT by toothfairy86
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Thanks God ! And thank You too!

I was just surprised and really dissapointed with that statement I've seen and heard on TV.

I know there are some tensions between both sister-Churches, but I don't suppose this time is proper to rise them (like that bigot priest on TV did).
6 posted on 04/03/2005 11:38:40 AM PDT by lizol
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The next Pope will never stand by the US President, as John Paul did with Ronald Reagan, to confront the forces of evil. In fact, a Eurinal or African Pope might prefer to stand against the US to curry favor with the "little" evil doers of the world.

Consider what Castro would do for the church if the Pope would vigorously protest the US sanstions against Cuba. The same kind of pandering could be used in almost every marginal country on Earth. Think of the corrupt rulers of the UN and what they could continue to get away with if the next Pope sided with Kofi the Klepto against the US. It is unlikely that W will get a replacement Pope as good as John Paul!

7 posted on 04/03/2005 11:38:47 AM PDT by Tacis ( SEAL THE FRIGGEN BORDER!!!)
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from http://www.goarch.org Greek Orthodox Church Archdioses of North and South America

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Statement of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America on the Death of Pope John Paul II

April 2, 2005

We participate in the sorrow of the Roman Catholic Church during this difficult time of the departure of Pope John Paul II, and we join the world in offering prayers knowing that he is now in the world of eternal rest.

The Pope, who began his papacy in October 1978, has guided the Roman Catholic Church through transforming years, remaining firm on traditional values while offering love, compassion, and forgiveness. He touched many people with his gentle manner and his openness to people of other religions.

During the tenure of Pope John Paul II, the relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church has improved significantly. In a most recent relevant event last November, Archbishop Demetrios, spiritual leader of 1.5 million Greek Orthodox Christians in America, had the opportunity to visit and be with the Pope in a special occasion at The Vatican. This was a ceremony during which the Pope, responding to the request of Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, returned the Holy Relics of Saint John Chrysostom and Saint Gregory the Theologian, two of the most prominent Fathers of the undivided Church. The Holy Relics now rest at the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Constantinople.

We, as Orthodox Christians, will always remember, among other instances, this expression of a desire for reconciliation and unity as we pray for the repose of his soul.


8 posted on 04/03/2005 11:39:02 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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9 posted on 04/03/2005 11:42:24 AM PDT by lizol
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Statement by His All Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew upon the falling asleep in the Lord of Pope John Paul II

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His Holiness Pope John Paul II, having fulfilled the duty of life, which is common to all humans, has fallen asleep in the Lord. May God give rest to his soul in the place of the living, where there is no sorrow, grief nor mourning.

Pope John Paul II envisioned the restoration of the unity of the Christians and he worked for its realization. Thus, and in order to give the mark of his papacy, he visited the Ecumenical Patriarchate only a year after his election, and together with Patriarch Demetrios declared the formation of the Joint Committee for the inception of the Theological Dialogue between Orthodox and Roman Catholics. He did not hesitate before pains and sacrifices in order to bring the message of the Gospel to the entire world and to contribute to the establishment of peace. History will also recount his crucial contribution to the fall of atheistic communism. There are not many such brave men of vision, as the departed Pope. During his passage through the Hierarchy and especially through the leadership of the Roman Catholic Church, he drew deep his traces on her and on the history of all humanity, and he has left behind the indelible imprint of his strong personality. Many of his initiatives have been inception of developments, which still advance today. He was a pioneer in many issues. For this reason, his death is a loss not only to his Church, but to all of Christianity as well, and to the international community in general, who desires peace and justice.

We express our deep personal sorrow and on behalf of the Ecumenical Patriarchate for the resting of our beloved brother in Christ, and we share the mourning of the millions of our Roman Catholic brothers and sisters worldwide.

May his memory be eternal and may the Lord of life and death bring forth a most worthy successor, among the many personalities that adorn the hierarchy of the sister Church.

At the Patriarchate, 2 April 2005


10 posted on 04/03/2005 11:43:43 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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There was an interview with some Orthodox priest, who said, that there is no dialogue between Catholic and Orthodox Church,

Correction. Maybe a mistranslation. Fact is that the Orthodox does does have common Eucharistic communion with Rome. That is a different thing than dialogue.

But, w/o Eucharistic communion, no bishop of Rome may be prayed for at Divine Liturgy. That is just the way it is.

11 posted on 04/03/2005 11:47:42 AM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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Also see www.oca.org where Metropolitan Herman expresses condolences on the death of Pope John Paul II.


12 posted on 04/03/2005 11:49:19 AM PDT by toothfairy86
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OK. Thanks! You've calmed me down, as I got really angered with the information I got from the above article and from TV.

The only thing I wonder is whether Russian Orthodox Church's stance is the same?

As far as I know Orthodox Churches in different countries are independent (in Polish it's called autokefalia, I don't know the proper word in English). And relations between Pope and Orthodox Churches in Greece, Romania, Bulgaria and Ukraine were OK. He had visited those countries, met and spoken to Otrhodox patriarchs of those Churches.

I think the only exception was the Russian Orthodox Church. Reasons - see the above article.
13 posted on 04/03/2005 11:50:25 AM PDT by lizol
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Pope John Paul II has said that in situations where there is not a Roman Catholic church nearby, Roman Catholics are permitted to receive communion in an Orthodox church


14 posted on 04/03/2005 11:52:36 AM PDT by toothfairy86
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SYOSSET, NY [OCA Communications] — On Saturday, April 2, 2005, His Beatitude, Metropolitan Herman, Primate of the Orthodox Church in America, sent letters of condolence to Angelo Cardinal Sodano, Vatican Secretary of State, and Walter Cardinal Kasper of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, upon learning of the death of Pope John Paul II.

“I greet you with brotherly love in Christ and extend the condolences of the Holy Synod of Bishops, Hierarchs, Clergy, Monastics, and Faithful of the Orthodox Church in America,” Metropolitan Herman wrote. “Throughout the many years of his service as spiritual leader of the Roman Catholic Church, he was a shining example of dedication to the episcopal ministry and to the high office to which he was called and a ‘good steward of the manifold grace of God’ [1 Peter 4:10].”

Metropolitan Herman also noted that, in word and deed, the late Pope “constantly reminded all humanity of our shared responsibility to defend the rights of the poor, the defenseless, and those who have no one to speak for them” and remained steadfast “in proclaiming the ‘Gospel of Life’ and in safeguarding the dignity and sanctity of life in all its stages.

“This, perhaps, will be his greatest legacy, not only to the faithful of the Roman Catholic Church, but also for all Christians and all people of good will,” the letter of condolence concluded.

Earlier in the week, upon learning of the Pope’s failing health, Metropolitan Herman sent a letter of concern to Cardinal Kasper.

During his lengthy pontificate, Pope John Paul II met with several hierarchs of the Orthodox Church in America in the Vatican and during his visits to North America.

www.oca.org Also posted here on FR

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1376403/posts

15 posted on 04/03/2005 11:53:08 AM PDT by katnip
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To: lizol

In English it's autocephalous.


16 posted on 04/03/2005 11:54:53 AM PDT by toothfairy86
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Alot of history here. I hope the phrase "Time heals all wounds" aplies here. But after, what, 500 years I think it will be a very long time.


17 posted on 04/03/2005 11:55:38 AM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: lizol

That photo of the Pope and President Reagan is great--thanks!


18 posted on 04/03/2005 11:57:22 AM PDT by mark502inf
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"by me, Russia is lost forever"... Lost to whom, exactly, and in what way?


19 posted on 04/03/2005 12:03:17 PM PDT by infidel dog (nearer my God to thee....)
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To: toothfairy86

I know that.


20 posted on 04/03/2005 12:19:58 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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