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Pope John Paul II's Body laid out in Vatican

Posted on 04/03/2005 10:35:41 AM PDT by el_doctor2

Italian officials and Vatican clerics have been paying their respects to Pope John Paul II, whose body is lying in state in the Vatican.

Mourners, including Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, filed past the Pope shown on television dressed in a crimson robe and a white mitre.

Earlier, tens of thousands of mourners in St Peter's Square in Rome attended an open-air Mass in honour of the Pope.

John Paul II died on Saturday after a long illness, aged 84.

THE WORLD MOURNS * In the Pope's native Poland, bells rang out across the country and night-long vigils were held

* Brazil, home to the world's largest Catholic population, has declared seven days of national mourning

* Government offices in the Philippines, Asia's largest Catholic country, have been told to fly the flag at half-mast. A period of mourning will be held from Monday until the Pope is buried

* In communist Cuba, three days of official mourning are being held

* On Indonesia's Nias island, survivors of Monday's huge earthquake gathered outdoors to mourn the Pope in their first Mass since the tremor.

In the UK, a spokesman for Prime Minister Tony Blair said he had postponed plans to announce a general election on Monday afternoon, in order to attend a service in memory of the Pope.


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1 posted on 04/03/2005 10:35:41 AM PDT by el_doctor2
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Frontpages - World - of Pope's Passing [Caution: heavy graphics]
2 posted on 04/03/2005 10:42:59 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (George W. Bush -- The Terror of the Terrorists)
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To: el_doctor2

Popes are not embalmed. I hope the remains hold up over the next 5 days.


3 posted on 04/03/2005 10:43:07 AM PDT by Semper Paratus (-)
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To: el_doctor2

Interesting.


4 posted on 04/03/2005 10:43:10 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Semper Paratus

They aren't embalmed?

Wow yeah I'm not sure how long an already fragile body can hold up.


5 posted on 04/03/2005 10:43:41 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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I remember Paul VI, who died in August, was layed out for a week and didn't look to good at the end.


6 posted on 04/03/2005 10:48:51 AM PDT by Semper Paratus (-)
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To: el_doctor2

Welcome back, doc.


7 posted on 04/03/2005 10:52:35 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Semper Paratus

OH yikes. That's kind of sad- I hate the thought of the last glimpses we get of him are a body that's not holding up well.


8 posted on 04/03/2005 10:54:16 AM PDT by lawgirl (Please support me as I walk 60 miles in 3 days to support breast cancer research! (see my profile!))
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To: Semper Paratus

Actually I heard on the TV yesterday, that the body was embalmed.....


9 posted on 04/03/2005 10:56:10 AM PDT by sissyjane (Silk pajamas for dress up, and flannel for everyday-perfect Freeper wardrobe!!)
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To: Semper Paratus

If that's true, I'd bet on it holding up for the next 5 millennia.


10 posted on 04/03/2005 11:16:54 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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To: Semper Paratus
Popes are not embalmed. I hope the remains hold up over the next 5 days.

According to this article, at least three have been embalmed.

11 posted on 04/03/2005 11:24:52 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Semper Paratus
Popes are not embalmed. I hope the remains hold up over the next 5 days.

Of course they're embalmed. One who has seen hundreds of embalmed bodies, as I have, can recognize an embalming job.

Three days after death, tissue gas from bacteria begins to give off an odor, and an unembalmed body swells. Skin begins to separate from the underlying tissue, so the face would sag.

Paul VI was embalmed but not very well, as his face was turning dark and the swelling was obvious. I suspect he wasn't aspirated, which is a procedure that evacuates the internal organs of all matter and blood.

I won't go into what that involves here.

12 posted on 04/03/2005 11:31:49 AM PDT by sinkspur (Be not afraid. Be not afraid.)
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why would they not be embalmed? only morons would leave out a body that long without embalming it.


13 posted on 04/03/2005 11:35:01 AM PDT by army_guy_1
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The article above relates something I've heard, that Pius XII wasn't embalmed. His face was contorting after the fifth day, and the stench from his body made it almost impossible to get near him.

Orthodox Jews and Muslims do not permit embalming, but they typically bury their dead within 24 hours after death.

14 posted on 04/03/2005 11:40:31 AM PDT by sinkspur (Be not afraid. Be not afraid.)
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To: Semper Paratus
Popes are not embalmed.

Don't tell that to Pope John XXIII.


15 posted on 04/03/2005 11:46:37 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: army_guy_1
John recalled that the body of his predecessor Pius XII was preserved so badly in 1958 that the four men standing guard in the Vatican had to be changed every 15 minutes because they could not stand the stench.
16 posted on 04/03/2005 11:50:31 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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Yes, they are embalmed. In regards to your comment about the guards having needed be changed:

Go to:

http://www.kensmen.com/catholic/johnxxiiiembalmed.html
The reason John IIXXX looks so good is because it is a wax mask.


17 posted on 04/06/2005 8:43:19 AM PDT by joh9356
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JP II was not embalmed. Link.

By Friday, they may wish they had.

18 posted on 04/06/2005 8:48:47 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: sinkspur

It's against the law to embalm in Italy.
I heard on tv that Pope John Paul II was "prepared", not embalmed.


19 posted on 04/06/2005 2:43:17 PM PDT by luvdowntown
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It's against the law to embalm in Italy.

That is simply not true. Paul VI, John XXIII, and John Paul I were all embalmed, by licensed embalmers.

20 posted on 04/06/2005 3:08:54 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love in skin, and hair, and bones, get a shelter dog.)
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