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To: TWohlford
We don't really know what skin color those popes were.

Gelasius was from Africa, but Roman North Africa: and most of the racial stock at the time was Berber or Punic - in other words, semitic at best. Not negroid.

28 posted on 04/02/2005 8:07:59 PM PST by The Iguana
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To: The Iguana

I'm just repeating the common concensus of historians on this one. I wasn't there either, so I don't know for sure.

St. Augustine of Hippo is usually noted as being African, having been born in Algeria (but obviously never elected as Pope).


45 posted on 04/02/2005 8:19:43 PM PST by TWohlford
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To: The Iguana; TWohlford
We don't really know what skin color those popes were. Gelasius was from Africa, but Roman North Africa: and most of the racial stock at the time was Berber or Punic - in other words, semitic at best. Not negroid.

Actually we do. In particular when it comes to St. Gelasius I, who was the Pope from 492-496. The other 2 are from Africa, but their exact race is not known since the Vatican simply states they were 'from Africa.' But St. Gelasius was what you referred to as 'negroid.' He was black, and a Roman citizen (race was not as important as being a citizen of Rome).

Here is some more info on him:

Born in Rome of African decent. He instituted the Code for the uniform ceremonies and rites. Because of his charity he was called the "Father of the Poor". He maintained the supremacy of the church over the kings. He inserted the "Kyrie Eleison" (Greek for "Lord have mercy") into the Mass.

Anyways, that is for St Gelasius.

Moving on to St. Miltiades, who was Pope from 311-314. Church history says he was from Africa, which could mean he was white born in Africa or African born in Africa. Anyways, here is a painting of St Miltiades.

Moving on to St Victor, who was Pope from 189-199. The Catholic Encyclopedia states he was the "Liber Pontificalis" and a native of Africa. This is the one that is most ambiguous. He could be a White Roman citizen born in Africa, or a Black Roman citizen born in Africa.

54 posted on 04/02/2005 8:37:13 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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