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To: Diogenesis
I am/was 100% behind the Schindlers in their effort to save their daughter from dying of dehydration and starvation. But please cut it out with these over the top Nazi analogies. There was no effort here to exterminate a race of people. It was one person who unfortunately for her had a rotten husband and a bad judge. It was a "perfect storm" of everything going against Terri.

It is disgusting that she was put to death in such a manner. A tragedy. But you are over the top in your Holocaust analogy. 6 million Jews were murdered because they were Jewish. There may be a "slippery slope" aspect here, I'll grant you that. But you make your argument irrelevant with this stuff.

18 posted on 04/02/2005 7:49:49 PM PST by SoCar (Refugee from NJ)
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To: SoCar
Not a race, just a class: the disabled, who are considered to be living lives that are not worth living.
21 posted on 04/02/2005 7:52:30 PM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: SoCar

I think Diogenisis is right on the mark.

It has been well established that the German death machine began with Euthanasia, and moved on from there. First it was the useless eaters, and eventually it was the Jews. Also Gypsies, Poles, and others who were considered to be useless.


23 posted on 04/02/2005 7:54:28 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SoCar
It was one person who unfortunately for her had a rotten husband and a bad judge. It was a "perfect storm" of everything going against Terri.

No, there's more to it than that. I don't know exactly how much more, but there's something very big and very evil behind the effort. Considering that it was necessary to pass new legislation to authorize Terri's execution, I don't think people would be going through so much trouble to kill Terri if they weren't expecting their efforts to clear the way for many more killings.

The new killing program in this country isn't going to be based on race, but unless something is done to stop it, an age-based killing program will be gearing up within the next few decades.

33 posted on 04/02/2005 8:11:58 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: SoCar

How many bodies then would it take to convince you that he (Diogenesis) is not over the top?

Judge Greer did his evil deed under the law and in broad daylight in front of the whole nation. That is something even Hitler never accomplished, although he was planning on making it "legal" after the war was won.


35 posted on 04/02/2005 8:15:20 PM PST by planekT
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To: SoCar
Evidently we have been having some genocide going on in our own country. This case wasn't the first. This time it's not about race. It's about money and those who are deemed inconvenient to their families or society. It started with those deemed unfit in Germany. The Jews were targeted later.

Distasteful though it is, the horrible reminders are relevant.

41 posted on 04/02/2005 8:24:58 PM PST by Aliska (Theresa Marie Schindler, December 3, 1963 - March 31, 2005, Never Forget)
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To: SoCar
But please cut it out with these over the top Nazi analogies.

Why? You want us only to remember some who were murdered by the Nazis but not others?

61 posted on 04/02/2005 8:47:11 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: SoCar


But you are over the top in your Holocaust analogy. 6 million Jews were murdered because they were Jewish.



You imply that Nazis murdered only Jews. You are quite mistaken. The Nazis exterminated many others, useless eaters whose lives were not worth living (according to the Nazis of course). They started small, with people like Terri and worked their way towards ever-increasing atrocities. I even heard someone on Fox News the other night claim that Terri wasn't even a "person". Of course, it's rarely mentioned that in the U.S. every day, we kill about 4,000 innocent babies because we have made it legal.


77 posted on 04/02/2005 9:28:31 PM PST by ducdriver ("Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which is an elegant name for ignorance." GKC)
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To: SoCar

"There may be a "slippery slope" aspect here, I'll grant you that."

That's exactly what I take away from the analogies, it's not the numbers that are relevant - but the common way it all began, beginning with disabled, "damaged" people not worth keeping alive. How do you think it begins? You're correct, that is the only commonality; but indeed one we cannot hide away and refuse to face.


83 posted on 04/02/2005 10:01:03 PM PST by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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To: SoCar
There was no effort here to exterminate a race of people.

Hitler did not start out exterminating the Jews. Perhaps you were unaware?

He first, so quietly we hadn't a clue - after all, look how many years AFTER he WAS exterminating Jews before we knew or admitted it!

Before that, he systematically put to death the handicapped, the metnally ill, the seriously ill...they were imperfect and a drag on society.

From there, it was easier to escalate into killing the undesirable - He swore to kill ALL Poles (to get the land) all gypsies, homosexuals and Jews...and anyone who went against him. (Once you start killing, killing gets easier...)

But it started with killing the handicapped...Step 1 is followed by step 2 - 3-4 etc

We who know history, know the patterns. We want to stop this at step 1 - and Terri is hardly the first one. There have been many - Terri's is just the second case that gained widespread publicity because of the court fight by the families

"George Santayana, a notable philosopher, coined the phrase, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

98 posted on 04/02/2005 10:57:29 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: SoCar

“But please cut it out with these over the top Nazi analogies.” Diogenesis

Actually it started before the Nazis by an “enlightened” progressive secular humanist government. So you’re right to keep mentioning the Nazis in comparison to what happened here is not right, they just used what was already law to do what they did.


236 posted on 04/03/2005 7:15:46 AM PDT by judgedredd1 (Nothing in politcs happens that wasn't pre planned.)
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To: SoCar

CORRECTION TO ORIGINAL QUOTE.

“But please cut it out with these over the top Nazi analogies.” SoCar

Actually it started before the Nazis by an “enlightened” progressive secular humanist government. So you’re right to keep mentioning the Nazis in comparison to what happened here is not right, they just used what was already law to do what they did.


241 posted on 04/03/2005 7:21:53 AM PDT by judgedredd1 (Nothing in politcs happens that wasn't pre planned.)
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