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To: Halls
"But if she was uncomfortable, because the staff had been with her so long, we knew. If she moved, we knew what it meant. We knew when she should settle down with a different piece of music."

Very telling. Yet, we didn't see a throng of nurses rush out to tell the truth. For not speaking up, they are just as much murderers as hino. No, thanks, I wouldn't want a liar to care for my ailing family member.

18 posted on 04/02/2005 3:17:01 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Very telling. Yet, we didn't see a throng of nurses rush out to tell the truth. For not speaking up, they are just as much murderers as hino. No, thanks, I wouldn't want a liar to care for my ailing family member.

One difficulty in such situations is that if all the honest workers quit, patients will be guarded entirely by dishonest ones. Even if honest workers are unable to intercede directly on the half of patients, the fact that there may be honest workers around will itself tend to check the actions of the dishonest ones. Remove that check and things will get even worse, with no one at all to witness them.

31 posted on 04/02/2005 3:29:09 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: mtbopfuyn
"Yet, we didn't see a throng of nurses rush out to tell the truth."

How limited minded you are. You obviously see reality through a limited, narrow, unknowing perspective. Nurses do the work and are the actual care takers and treatment givers in our medical system. Doctors write those care orders and prescriptions.

However you need to read the state medical laws. If a nurse was to publicly countermand a doctors orders or speak publicly against a doctors ordered treatments would be complete professional suicide.

Nurses generally put the only human side on our medical system. Workers, including nurses, in a hospice see this sort of things every day. If the state has a "right to die" law and if a nurse was to do as you suggest she would become unemployed and unemployable.

Would you knowingly remove any chance of employment in the position you schooled and trained for? Can you see yourself losing your job and starting over? Nurses do their best to make hospitals and hospices work.

Get off your soap box, quit your job, and go work at a hospice or a hospital as a medical aide. See how long your employment lasts if you speak ill of a doctors orders or directions. Nurses serve at the whim of doctors who often treat them badly... even though they see the patient more often than a doctor does.

Stop making generalized, poorly thought out statements, quit your job, and drag your soap box to your capital steps and get the "right to die" laws changed. Get laws passed to secure nurses jobs when they speak against doctors then they might be able to do as you imagine.

What happened to Terri Schaivo was wrong and to many she was seemingly murdered. That may be correct but leave the nurses alone... they are NOT the ones to blame. Lots of ways to throw your wrath and you of course choose the lowest worker on the rung. That could appear to be cowardice.

Be a grownup and go after the governor, the judiciary, the families who want it, the doctors, the representatives, the senators, etc. What happened to Terri Schiavo is an actual medical procedure and in the med business they usually call it a "terminal wean". It happens more than you would believe.

Most nurses I know hate it and many refuse to do it... often at risk of their jobs or advancement. Many do it and make it as comfortable for the patient as possible. Remember they have lived with the patient -- often for weeks or years before (on doctors orders) they then have to effectively kill someone.

Doctors order terminal weans, but DON'T do the work. Doctors write the orders and nurses have to.

Go through the proper channels and get that changed...I think you will find thousands of nurses would be more grateful than anyone if they did not have to do it. But be a grown up and stop casting blame at the lower rung on the medical ladder.
158 posted on 04/02/2005 7:05:08 PM PST by JSteff
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