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Schiavo Case Spurs More Christophobia
David Limbaugh ^ | March 30, 2005 | David Limbaugh

Posted on 04/02/2005 1:37:42 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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1 posted on 04/02/2005 1:37:44 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
We Christian conservatives are not focusing on a religious agenda, but on policies that are consistent with our principles -- the most important one being "the sanctity of life." If we don't recapture our culture from the systematic attacks on it, we can forget about economic issues. Nothing is more foundationally important to our liberties and to the preservation of our republic than our underlying values, which we abandon at our peril.
God bless David Limbaugh.

Committed Christians must be more vigilant than ever.

2 posted on 04/02/2005 1:41:41 PM PST by k2blader (If suicide is immoral, then helping it happen, regardless of motivation, is also immoral.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Bump for later.


3 posted on 04/02/2005 1:42:07 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Karol Wojtyla, my brother, thank you for being you. Rest in Joy.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
We Christian conservatives are not focusing on a religious agenda, but on policies that are consistent with our principles

What's ironic here is the even Limbaugh is apparently too embarrassed to admit that Christian conservative political principles really are a religious agenda. Why should we hide from that and act like we're ashamed? How can Limbaugh attack Danforth for being against the Christianization of the GOP and then in the same article sheepishly try to say Christian conservatives don't have a religious political agenda? Looks like the left has gotten Limbaugh feeling guilty about himself too.

Wake up, Davey. WE DO have a religious agenda!

4 posted on 04/02/2005 1:48:43 PM PST by Crackingham
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Some voices out of the past:

Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.
John Jay, letter to Jedidiah Morse 28 Feb 1797

“Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
--- John Adams

“A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.”
--- Samuel Adams


5 posted on 04/02/2005 1:50:23 PM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Since Moses confronted the pharaoh, faithful people have heard God's call to political involvement." - Danforth

Apparently Danforth considers slavery of a people to be a political issue, not a moral one. I guess he also considers the sanctity of life to be a political issue, not a moral one. If all moral issues (excessive taxation, same-sex marriage, teaching abstinence, etc.) can be transformed into political ones, it's easy to make the leap of equating Christians to jihadists. See how that works? The game is afoot.....

6 posted on 04/02/2005 1:51:27 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Nothing is more foundationally important to our liberties and to the preservation of our republic than our underlying values, which we abandon at our peril."

And those of us who have not abandoned them seem to be on the receiving end of rancor from those who have, or at least those who have been willing to fudge on them a little here and there (a little here, a little there, and pretty soon they're incrementally abandoned).

I was just on another thread where someone made a sneering remark about "do-gooders"--Heaven help us if one day there are no more "do-gooders." I'd much rather be known as a "do-gooder" than as someone who has abandoned their principles and morals in such a cynical way.

7 posted on 04/02/2005 1:52:40 PM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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"Libertarians are mostly nauseated by Christian conservatives getting all worked up about social issues."


"Mr. Danforth, and others, have it backward. Christians are not trying to take over the system and convert it to some sort of a theocracy. We are not the aggressors. We are merely reacting to the systematic destruction of our culture and the undermining of the Judeo-Christian values that undergird it."

Good piece.
8 posted on 04/02/2005 1:55:29 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1366853/)
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There sure are a lot of Christophobes, I agree. Terrified that someone will tell them they themselves aren't God.


9 posted on 04/02/2005 1:55:47 PM PST by ViLaLuz
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show bt Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks on Sept. 11).

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"

In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it all started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said, .... the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love (they didn't get that right either) your neighbor as yourself. ... you better not read the Bible in school And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

We ask ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.

Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.

Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing?


10 posted on 04/02/2005 1:56:02 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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Well then, dog-gone-it, why did them loony-toon founding fathers write that stuff like the 'right to life' and surround it all with comments about Divine Providence?


11 posted on 04/02/2005 2:01:09 PM PST by Slyfox
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The above reality is exactly why any campaign to obtain JUSTICE for Terri Schindler, should include conservatives across the spectrum, and others who supported Terri's Right to Life!


12 posted on 04/02/2005 2:01:34 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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I'll never forget all of the FReepers here defending this RINO garbage man when it was thought he might be nominated as Attorney General in 01. Fair Waco Investigation indeed. Go back to scooping up Clinton and Reno's messes, Danforth.


13 posted on 04/02/2005 2:05:09 PM PST by streetpreacher (The fires of hell burn hot and try to destroy me, I run to your will Oh God I know you’ll restore me)
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Those founders were gun-toting religious extremists.


14 posted on 04/02/2005 2:16:29 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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The problem with libertarians and RINOs siding with the Left in agreeing the culture doesn't matter is that the Left wants to transform the culture to strengthen the state and diminish the individual. People like John Danforth don't see that abortion, gay marriage, and euthanasia are only the visible parts of the Left's attempts to redefine the culture so eventually central planners can tell us when when we can have children, who we can marry, and when we can die. Eventually, all of our freedoms get extinguished. It all begins with the attack on religious values - destroy those and the vacuum has to be filled by government. And that is exactly the aim of the Left. Too bad libertarians and RINOs don't see that's where we're headed if we don't turn the culture around.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
15 posted on 04/02/2005 2:23:06 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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From the phobia against Christians, you'd think America is suffering from too much Christianity. Nothing could be further from the truth.

ANY Christianity is too much of it for the wicked.

16 posted on 04/02/2005 2:25:25 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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People whose values were derived from their religious beliefs have just as much a right to exercise their political rights as do those who formed their values from classes in school, secularism, their parents, the Green party, rock music, movies, etc. It is not legitimate to say that anyone who goes to a church or synagogue has no ability to think and should be denied rights every other citizen has.

Further, some matters are obviously right or wrong even without referring to a religious dogma. Although I am a Christian, I don't look at the Terri Schiavo case as a particularly religious issue. I think of it as a judicial problem. The judicial system allowed a man of questionable intent to decide whether a disabled woman would be given food. I think that Judge Greer made a woefully bad decision. Where there is doubt as to her desires and her ability to function, the default should have been to let her live, not to kill her. The rest of the judges followed along and went by the letter of the law rather than the spirit. You don't have to be "religious" to find fault in their decision.


17 posted on 04/02/2005 2:27:43 PM PST by KittyKares
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This is about MURDER Mr.Dansforth, and this is about corruption in the judiciary, and one does not even have to be christian to be against violation of human rights by the courts. Even dogs and cats and death row inmates do not get that inhumane treatment in the USA. You need to wake up. It is time to smell the coffee.


18 posted on 04/02/2005 2:29:05 PM PST by tessalu
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I do not see what is happening in America as simply a political conflict but a much more basic fight for survival of humanity.
The "sanctity of life" side versus the "culture of death".
The LIFE side believes in God, the DEATH side believes in man.
LIFE wants to protect the family, the child and the old. DEATH wants to glorify the individual's selfish desires for gratification (homosexual agenda, abortion on demand, craddle to grave nanny state).
DEATH has a narcistic desire for freedom from individual responsability by worshipping the "Government god" and rejecting traditional values.
LIFE wants to cherish the family, encourage honor, dignity and dedication. The DEATH side wants a world without moral judgement and therefore hates all who display honorable traits (including soldiers).

The two parties are evolving into these two camps. There still will be a lot of movement between the two such as the Reagan Democrats or the Rhino phenomena but as each year passes each will end up more and more as representing a LIFE party and the other will be the DEATH party.
Is Danforth afraid that he could be found wanting on his support for the LIFE side? Is he afraid that the lines between LIFE and DEATH are no longer so blurred so he must take a stand? It's becoming harder to be a Rhino, Dan.


19 posted on 04/02/2005 2:32:12 PM PST by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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