Posted on 04/02/2005 6:21:27 AM PST by rhema
Would you favor it if the government suddenly quit feeding and giving liquids to the political detainees being held at Guantánamo Bay, because they had become an expensive nuisance? Or would you take to the streets to protest against the viciousness of it?
Would you be in favor if one of our state governments decided to starve to death its prisoners because they had become too expensive to house? Or would you be demonstrating at prison gates or in front of the Capitol -- objecting to the inhumanity of it?
If you believe it would be inhumane and vicious to starve terrorists and prison inmates to death, what about that utterly defenseless woman in Florida named Terri Schiavo, who died Thursday?
How can it have been good policy and good humanity to starve an innocent woman to death, while it's bad policy and despicable humanity to do it to prisoners?
Some "no-thinkums" will protest, "It's not the same issue!" Oh, isn't it?
Some years ago the Florida Legislature decided that if someone is being kept alive by "life-support measures," didn't leave a living will, and the family is divided over whether to "pull the plug" or keep the person alive by life-support equipment, the state courts could hold hearings and a judge could decree what shall be done.
Most folks thought it was a good policy.
It has become a disaster, in fact, which is what always happens when men and women think they are God.
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I don't know about these Larry King guests but it is my understanding that Greer refused to admit most evidence or accept affidavits of those contradicting MS's testimony. An attorney for the Schindlers who was involved early on was complaining about Greer's knee jerk rejection of any such testimony or videos that would dispute MS's statement about Terri's wishes OR dispute the finding of PVS.
It is even more sinister than you think. It really is a "right to terminate those with an unacceptable quality of life" movement. Of course, the 'enlightened' get to define what is "quality of life".
This movement actually wants to re-define a person as someone with a good quality of life. If your quality of life is insufficient (due to illness, disease,etc) then you are not a person anymore and you can be terminated just like a fetus.
Terri Schindler was murdered, with lots of help and song&dance from people who should know better. And no, we won't shut up.
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You got that right. Even the drug threads here on FR have more facts and logic (which I thought I'd never say).
I've never seen such emotion-based, illogical, rumor-mongering, half truths, lies, gossip, and innuendos in my three years on FR than I've seen on these Terri threads.
I'm actually embarrassed.
It was written just for that purpose.
I, too, believe that is why he had it put in.
Likewise, when she said she wouldn't want to live that way did she, at the same time, agree to die the way she did?
Just a few questions that I really haven't seen well explored.
The law did just that, in this case.
And don't forget - in some cases, rapists who father children as a result are now getting their 'right' in having access to that child or saying how it will be raised.
The courts are run by the inmates, now.
This is exactly what we are talking about. When people say, "they should kill her because she wouldn't want to live like that". Ask most disabled people & they will tell you (if they are able) that given the choice between dying or being disabled - most people will still fight for life. This essence to survive is what has kept mankind around for all these years. I've heard incredible stories about what people will do to survive.
Only when we become a society that respects all individuals - the unwanted, the disabled, the aged, the young, the helpless & weak among us - only when we have respect and allow them dignity, will we achieve great things. It is clear that Jesus commanded us to take care of the widows & orphans, the sick, etc.
Taking the easy way out, disposing of people like we do unwanted animals, or cockroaches, is this the kind of society that thrives?
The day they legalized abortion, things started rapidly declining in this nation. Statistics prove it all out. The great experiement DIDN'T WORK. It's still not working & they're still trying to do it. Liberals still don't get it. This stuff DOESN'T WORK.
We need to get back on the right track.
What is truly sad is that this murder was allowed to happen by our politicians and law enforcement people as they read the twisted polls!
How many times did those bringing us 'the news' say that she was brain-dead?
How many times did some say that she was in a coma?
How many times did we hear that she couldn't swallow? What the hell did she do with her 2 pints of spit each day?
God's law says 'thou shalt not kill'. Florida law says 'it is a felony to take the life of another'.
Yet, they (Schiavo, Greer, et al) did in fact kill her. And no charges are forthcoming?
Rev Law ends his writing quite appropriately, "God have mercy on us."
Are you saying they were not? It's now very clear that they were, or else she'd still be alive.
I asked if she couldn't feel pain why did they give her morphine?
She was given morphine 2 times, once on Thursday, 5 mg and Saterday, 5 mg. The normal dose for mophine for pain is 10 mg every 4 hrs. The reasons she was given morphine were to prevent a siezure she MAY have as a result of organs shutting down. Obviously they were protocol for people in that condition, and of a preventative nature. Cirtainly not for "pain". And as it turns out, unessasary, because Terri wasn't "normal". You need a brain and sense of awareness to feel pain.
Morphene, in normal conditions is given to people on their death beds to relax them; it slows their heart rate and respirations, lowers their blood preasure, and help them along a little. It's protocol.
I was shocked. How can these fine people be my friends. I asked them did they know she could swallow her own saliva? Didn't need suctioning?
Another uneducated speculation. Most people in her condition do not produce saliva and need 'sucktioning'. her mouth was constantly open an dry from her own breathing. The statement that she swallowed buckets of saliva a day is wrong.
Go visit some old people at a care home some day. Take note of the ones who sit tied in their chairs in a daze, with their mouths open. look for drool. Take note that there isn't any. Also take note that there aren't nurses running around 'suctioning' people.
Fanatic: You're starving Terri to death! Why can't you at least give her some morphine to relieve her pain? Please! This is inhumane!
Voice of reason: Because she cannot feel pain. Her cerebral cortex is gone, replaced by spinal fluid.
Fanatic: But, what can it hurt! Why not? Please give Terri morphine! Please!
Voice of reason: All right. Just to please you, we'll do it.
Fanatic: WHY ARE YOU GIVING HER MORPHINE IF SHE CAN'T FEEL ANYTHING??? YOU LIED !!!!
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TERRI is US
TERRI - Pray for US
GOD Save the Vulnerable from the Bullies
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My thoughts exactly. I think i'll refrain from posting any further fact, which is completely disregarded anyways by those that insist a person with no brain can make concious decissions and deliberate movements.
I'll just sit by and observe you get common senses dazzled.
I do find it entertaining, no longer do I need to go to DU for a good laugh.
Are you saying they were not? It's now very clear that they were, or else she'd still be alive.
Yeah, about as clear as mud!!! We don't know, because the unyielding judge wouldn't even allow her family to try to feed her by mouth, or even to allow them to give her a wet washcloth for her mouth. We really don't know & now it's too late. I know there are plenty of people hoping this issue will just go away, but I hope our legislators are not going to let it. I will be writing mine to remind them.
This was a abominable travesty, EACH INDIVIDUAL HAS THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.
There were two "awards". One was for $400,000 directly to Michael for loss of consortium. That was his to do with as he pleased. At that point he could have walked away, turned Terri over to her parents, and been $400,000 richer.
The second was for $800,000, and that money went into a trust fund for Terri's care. This trust was maintained by a third party, and withdrawals had to be approved by the judge.
Things deteriorated between Michael and her parents when they insisted on half of his $400,000.
"She responds to people, maybe on the same level my cat or dog responds to me,"
You base this on a few seconds of video, excerpted from over four hours of taping. No neurologist, even Dr. Cranford, was able to duplicate these movements.
"Are you saying if a person can't feed or take care of themselves, they are not alive? That doesn't make sense to me."
Nor to me. That's not even close to what I'm saying.
What amazes me, is that so many can not or will not see the evil being done here. They fight for his right to kill a wife, to deny her even the presence of her family as she is drawing her last breath.
Why would any support such actions?
How come so many - even here - fail to see the precedents being set. Fail to see that the right of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness was being denied to a damaged one.
Do they feel she had no rights since she could not speak?
Or, do they really agree with what Michael did and his actions? If so, then just what are the principles they believe in and fight for?
Apparently it is the right to kill, the right to determine life or death for others, the right to deny parents to keep a loved one that an estranged husband with another wife and children has decreed must die.
I am astounded and grossly disappointed in them all.
Wasn't this evidence and these affidavits submitted well after his February, 2000 decision? I believe they were.
Why were they submitted after the decision? Why were these not made available during the January, 2000 hearing?
Me too. More & more, I find myself wishing I could live in a country that is Christian based, and not afraid to proclaim it. Even if I were not a Christian, I think it would be a nicer place to live than where I live now. Christian principles = Compassionate society.
I'm going to go enjoy my day off now, I've said my piece.
Of course you won't. Even when faced with facts and logic you won't shut up.
That's what makes you irritating and pathetic.
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