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Gloom and doom! Bush has raided the Trust Fund!

Posted on 04/02/2005 5:12:36 AM PST by HankReardon

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This appeared in my local newspaper, he did sign his name and mention the college he was associated with, I chose to withhold it. This is the 2nd such letter from him within 2 weeks, both times mentionimg that most of the SS Trust Fund had been raided during President Bush's time in office. I am going to respond. I am seeking knowledge and guidance from my fellow freepers in doing this. So many questionable things here, where to begin?
1 posted on 04/02/2005 5:12:37 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: HankReardon

What's to argue with? GW is all in favor of letting the illegals continue to flood into our country and avail themselves of our already bloated entitlements. Further, according to the WSJ, non-discretionary spending has risen over 30% under Dubya. So far he's a fiscal failure.


2 posted on 04/02/2005 5:14:53 AM PST by Huck (:-)
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To: HankReardon

There is no 'trust fund' and hasn't ever been such a thing as far as I know. SS funds are confiscated from our paychecks and go right to the general fund to pay out to the SS receivers.

There is no algore 'lockbox'...never has been. SS $$ go to buy some bonds too, I think...

That is all I know, nuthin' more and I don't care that I don't know more. It's like Wonder Bread, I like it and don't care it's white poison!


3 posted on 04/02/2005 5:15:51 AM PST by GRRRRR (America the Wonderful! Optimism beats Pessimism Every Time!)
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To: Huck

The war on Terror, a great investment had to be done, homeland security, tax cuts were right. This all pays in the long run, short term spending.


4 posted on 04/02/2005 5:17:19 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: HankReardon

There is no "Trust Fund".


5 posted on 04/02/2005 5:17:26 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: HankReardon
This is the 2nd such letter from him within 2 weeks, both times mentionimg that most of the SS Trust Fund had been raided during President Bush's time in office

Uh there has been no SS trust fund since LBJ, but what the hey blame Bush, who is trying to get rid of that ponzi scheme.

6 posted on 04/02/2005 5:17:45 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: HankReardon

What he really means is that Bush's agreement with Fox WOULD raid the Trust Fund, not that Bush HAS raided the Trust Fund. I'm not even sure that part is accurate though. In any event, there is no way that Congress is going to let illegal Mexican aliens collect social security benefits.


7 posted on 04/02/2005 5:18:59 AM PST by Brilliant
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GW is all in favor of letting the illegals continue to flood into our country and avail themselves of our already bloated entitlements

Huh I didn't see Bush try to shoot down Prop. 200 in AZ(a Bush appointed judge upheld it when Napolitano(D) tried to shoot it down) or the recent legislation in VA.

BTW, you're a Libertarian they are for no borders.

8 posted on 04/02/2005 5:20:28 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Brilliant

Please reread, he says trillions HAVE been taken from the Trust Fund mostly during Bush's tenure.


9 posted on 04/02/2005 5:21:13 AM PST by HankReardon
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There seems to be a plan to join the North American countries into one. Something like an EU. That seems to be President Bush and President Fox's plan. I would like to see it stopped , but it doesnt appear that the Congress has the guts it takes.


10 posted on 04/02/2005 5:21:30 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Dane

Didn't they stuff it with IOU's during Clinton, or am I thinking of something else?


11 posted on 04/02/2005 5:22:28 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: HankReardon

Debt to the penny.

$7,776,939,047,670.14


12 posted on 04/02/2005 5:25:33 AM PST by Capitalism2003
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You're thinking of Sandy Burgular, that Clinton cronie stuffing his shorts with national intelligence. Talk about an oxymoron.


13 posted on 04/02/2005 5:26:04 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

The Social Security surplus has been put into the federal government's general fund and spent since 1968.


14 posted on 04/02/2005 5:28:13 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: HankReardon

Alarmist, but true. However, can we stop using the term "Third World?" It is a relic of the Cold War. Besides, many "Third World" countries (Korea, Singapore, even Chile) are more prosperous than second world countries like Ukraine, Albania and Bulgaria.


15 posted on 04/02/2005 5:29:10 AM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Dane

I voted for GWB. I'm a registered Republican. GWB has said that people coming here to find work should be allowed to come here. I take him at his word, even tho I disagree with him on it.


16 posted on 04/02/2005 5:30:23 AM PST by Huck (:-)
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To: HankReardon

How about his "unpopular war" statement? How unpopular is it to fight terrorists who want to kill Americans and destroy the American economy?


17 posted on 04/02/2005 5:31:23 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: Dane

By the way, how does a president shoot down a state ballot initiative? I can't think of a single case where that's happened. He doesn't have any authority to do so.


18 posted on 04/02/2005 5:31:24 AM PST by Huck (:-)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; GRRRRR
From the Social Security site:

The Social Security Trust Funds are the Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) and the Disability Insurance (DI) Trust Funds. These funds are accounts maintained by the Department of the Treasury. They serve two purposes: (1) they provide a mechanism for keeping track of all income to and disbursements from the trust funds, and (2) the assets of the funds provide automatic spending authority. To clarify the second point, no legislation is needed to spend a portion of trust fund assets on benefits or administrative costs (the Social Security Act limits expenditures to benefits and administrative costs).

Benefits to retired workers and their families, and to families of deceased workers, are paid from the OASI Trust Fund. Benefits to disabled workers and their families are paid from the DI Trust Fund.

A Board of Trustees oversees the financial operations of the trust funds. The Board reports annually to the Congress on the financial and actuarial status of the trust funds.

19 posted on 04/02/2005 5:31:33 AM PST by raybbr
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By the way, how does a president shoot down a state ballot initiative? I can't think of a single case where that's happened. He doesn't have any authority to do so

By the Judges he appoints. It was the 9th circuit filled with Carter appointees that shot down Prop. 187.

20 posted on 04/02/2005 5:33:03 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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