Zogby Poll: Americans Not in Favor of Starving Terri Schiavo (poll with fair questions)

LifeNews ^ | April 1, 2005 | Steven Ertelt

[lizma]

You are overlooking the fact that Greer also forbade the provision of oral sustainence

I'm not overlooking Greer's corruption one bit. IMHO this guy has twisted facts to a point any Nazi would be proud. All I'm saying is this guy had the ability to make this all totally legal. By Florida law PVS's can't swallow, therefore don't get any thing by mouth. He was able to get a non-PVS women declared PVS therefore that is the reason all these rulings went against Terri.

Legal is not synonyms with morale in todays courts.

[exDemMom]

In fact, if you read the facts of the Browning case, you will see that Estelle Browning had executed a document in which she declared she did not wish to be maintained by a feeding tube under certain circumstances, and the state government intervened in her case and argued that her written wishes should not be followed because it was possible that, later, she orally made a decision to the contrary.

All you've told me here is that a living will is not worth the paper it's written on, if someone wants you dead. That's scary.

Is Estelle Browning the woman previously "represented" by George Felos? The one that he "heard" in his head begging to die, although she was, in fact, silent? If so, I hate to think that the evidence of her "oral decision" overriding her earlier living will was, in fact, the auditory hallucination of George Felos.

[supercat]

What best friend?

You don't know the details of the case but you're opining on it?

I am aware that Michael's sister-in-law claimed to be Terri's best friend. I am unaware of any evidence, other than her own-say-so, that she actually was. Do you know of any evidence to that effect?

[Republican Wildcat]

well, this is Zogby...I'll still take it with a grain of salt.

Still, most Americans believe Terri was on extraordinary life support based on the false media portrayal of her condition. Had they known the facts opinions would likely have been different.

[HiTech RedNeck]

There was some dispute about that -- she may have been minimally conscious. But the PET scan which could show what whatever was left of her brain was doing in response to external stimuli, was systematically denied by Michael.

She got done to death with the connivance of the law. No ifs, ands, and buts about it.

[PleaseNoMore]

1. You are wrong about my "feelings". Plain and simply wrong.

2. If I am ever forced to make such a decision for a loved one and do so under suspect conditions, you have every right as a law abiding citizen to question any decision I make that would end a life. If you are wrong, you can apologize later. If you are not, you can't bring someone back from the grave.

3. The letter of the law you say? Male bovine fecal matter. The law in Florida regarding guardianship is very clear. There were several laws that were not followed by Michael Schiavo and several that were ignored by Judge Greer.

You keep bringing up "the letter of the law". I would point out to you that many people have done wrong things using the bad law as their justification and defense.

4. Yes, you will ultimately answer to God, as will I, for anything and everything that we have done in our lives. If we contemplate upon that we may have reason to be concerned about our meeting Him, especially when we have regarded the laws set forth by men as superior to those set forth by Him.

[EternalVigilance]

What does the Declaration of Independence (Which by the way IS NOT THE LAW OF THE LAND) have to do with when life support is pulled from terminal patients?

Try the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and Article One, Section Two of the Florida constitition.

They ARE the law of the land, and they explicitly prohibit taking the life of any person who hasn't been convicted of a capital crime.

The Florida constitition also explicitly includes the disabled.

Or are you in agreement with these judges and politicians who are now pretending the Bill of Rights doesn't exist?

[HiTech RedNeck]

Is Estelle Browning the woman previously "represented" by George Felos? The one that he "heard" in his head begging to die, although she was, in fact, silent?

Yup, Mr. Demon Channeler hisself.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Are you aware of any testimony saying that she wasn't?

[Destro]

To kill her would be to administer the death blow. She died from her body shutting down on its own because it could no longer function. She could not chew or swallow on her own. Being in a PVS means she was "terminal" under the legal and medical definition. Terminal patients have their life support removed every day.

[FairOpinion]

"Can you point to me where the judge forbade "natural means"?"


===

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE POST THE LINK TO GREER's RULING TO STARVE AND DEHYDRATE TERRY TO DEATH?

I had the link to the ruling, and it said that he was ordering that no nutrition or hydration to be given to Terri. Period.

He could have phrased it, to order the removal of the tube and ordered no feeding through the tube, but he specifically ordered no nutrition or hydration.

[KDD]

October 21, 2003… Michael brings suit against the Governor, asking to enjoin the Governor's stay on grounds "Terri's Law" is unconstitutional; Judge Baird rejects Michael's request for an immediate injunction, allowing the tube to be restored, and requests briefs on the constitutional arguments involving the new law

November 7, 2003… Judge Baird rejects Governor's motion to dismiss Michael's suit and have case litigated in Tallahassee

November 20, 2003… Judge Baird rejects Governor's request for the judge to recuse himself
December 1, 2003… Guardian ad litem appointed under "Terri's Law" to advise Governor submits report to Governor [READ]

December 10, 2003… Second District rejects Governor's effort to have Judge Baird disqualified

April 2004… Second District affirms Judge Baird's decision denying Governor's motion to dismiss and have case litigated in Tallahassee [READ]

May 2004… Judge Baird declares "Terri's Law" unconstitutional on numerous grounds [READ]

June 2004… Second District certifies "Terri's Law" case directly to the Florida Supreme Court

September 2004… Florida Supreme Court affirms Judge Baird's ruling that "Terri's Law" is unconstitutional

I just gave you a new Judge to hate.

[SendShaqtoIraq]

Please give us contact information so we can warn YOUR spouse to name someone besides you to be his/her medical advocate because should he/she become ill and inconvenient to you that you will starve him/her to death.

[Republican Wildcat]

I am sick to death people judging this man with hysterical and meanspirited accusations.

Michael had abandoned his wife for another woman - he had been living with her for years before filing to have the court order her death. Those are the facts - the only person being hysterical is you.

[Torie]

the testimony of her husband and others (including her best friend) provided clear and convincing evidence of Terri's wishes to the Courts.

To Greer. Not to me. I would have ruled differently, based on what I know. I don't think what some 25 year old says after watching a movie has much gravitas, as related by her husband, particularly this husband. But it was Greer's call, not mine.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Ah, but a death deprivation doesn't count?

Suppose they sealed her in a chamber and evacuated it of air? That wouldn't be a death blow, by your sophistry.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"If I am ever forced to make such a decision for a loved one and do so under suspect conditions, you have every right as a law abiding citizen to question any decision I make that would end a life."

That's a load of crap. I have no such "right".

The problem here is people making up "rights" and lawyering without a working knowledge of the law.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Being in a PVS means she was "terminal" under the legal and medical definition. Terminal patients have their life support removed every day.

Because it is a commonly repeated mantra makes it right!

[Destro]

Get this through your head - Terri was not disabled - she was in a PVS - NOT THE SAME THING. The law says that people in a PVS are terminal patients and as such can have life support removed per their wishes of those of their loved ones. Terri was NOT retarded, she was NOT in a coma, she was NOT disabled she was in a PVS.