Judge Marinkovic Takes The Witness Stand

It's not about confidence, Oh, I'm quite confident to shoot you full of holes like the swisscheese you are. It's about letting your lebal stand, and I will not. That's what men like you want. You can't discuss or debate the points so you attack people directly and then have the gull to demand that they not defend themselves. I also notice how there is no Balkans thread you aren't on defend islam. As a matter of fact, outside of the Balkan threads and your defense of Bosnian and Albanian muslims, there are precious few threads you're on. Hmmmm.

Hay, smart guy, besides being pro-KLA I doubt that you've ever worn any other uniform yourself. You make hot air and try to discredit every other poster but I've yet to hear a single word out of you. Oh and if you wanted proof (which you don't you're just out to character assasinate) you can look at my other postings and get all the damn proof you need.

Your name shouldn't be Hoplite but Janissary or Malmuk.

"lebal" + "gull" = major malfunction.

Learn to spell, tyro.

jb6, what you said: the Islamics were moving in secret weapons from other islamics getting ready to run us over to get at the Serbs.

What I said: nothing like that ever happened in the 8+ years since IFOR/SFOR arrived

You then posted a lot of info about weapons. We're talking past each other--my point was that in no cases did the Bosniaks or anyone else "run us over" or even try to and we never suffered a casualty to hostile action. Further, significant fighting between the factions was brought to a halt--the mission was a success.

As to how the hostile factions in the Balkans stockpiled & moved & hid arms and ammunition--that was well known--as General Joulwan described pinning down the locations of the arms caches in Bosnia (showing his age & the age of all of us who understood the reference), it was like trying to find Nathan Detroit's craps game.

Having said all that--again, what do your Bosnia experiences have to do with Racak?

He told me that he had heard through another source that the police had taken a group of people into the mountains near Racak and slit their throats. Apparently a boy had seen that and got away. I asked if he knew about a group of men being shot. He said he did not know that.

DTA, because first thing in the morning after the massacre that someone "had heard through another source" that "Apparently a boy had seen" people with their throats slit is normal confusion in a first report based on third-hand information and is irrelevant anyway since nobody is accused of slitting anyone's throat.

The fact that the KLA leader knew nothing about a group of men being shot actually supports that the massacre was not staged. If it was, that KLA leader would have certainly used his opportunity to tell the KDOM observer all about the massacred men in the gully.

around 35 names (20 + 15) were provided by KLA MP (UCK PU) BEFORE information about people killed in a gully CAME IN. When 23 (number of dead in a gully) is added to known number of 35 we get 58 dead civilians according to KLA. This is around 13 more than official ICTY toll.

You are assuming no overlap between the lists. Further, the bodies in the gully were discovered about 0400 and this incident occurred several hours later--the lists may have included names from those in the gully. Again, it is irrelevant anyway since the trial is about who killed the civilians the day before, not whether or not some local KLA leader in the next village over got an accurate report the next morning. If Slobo thinks that will help his case, he can bring it up. Paratrooper_501's posts came from his statements that were submitted to the ICTY and are available to Milosevic.

from "Serb police was in the village, they did it."

Uh, no. There's quite a bit more to it than that. The eyewitnesses saw the Serb Police round up the men and take them away. Some of the men survived by running away or playing dead and described how the Serb police opened fire on them in the gully. Their stories are corroborated in other details by the evidence provided by Paratrooper_501 and the other KDOM & KVM personnel.

An Albanian survivor's experience of the massacre was: "For six hours, Rame Shabani lay motionless, his face pressed to the dirt, while Serb police and army units shot and mutilated 25 men on a hillside above the Albanian village of Racak. He escaped by throwing himself into a ravine when they opened fire.'...'I heard their screams as they were being massacred. They were begging for their lives,'' Shabani said, sitting cross-legged on the floor of a spartan room decorated only with a photograph of the victims' coffins blanketed with Albanian flags. When they were finished they sang a nationalist song: ``Who is saying, who is lying Serbia is small? Serbia is not small. Serbia is not small.''

To which you responded that "Rame Shabani did not come to alert search party who were searching for the dead with torchlights."

Now, DTA, put yourself in Shabani's shoes. He just avoided being murdered by hiding in a ravine as Serb police roamed around him shooting his relatives and neighbors. After six hours of hiding, he fled. We don't even know if he saw the search party later that night and even if he did, do you honestly think that he was going to go running through the woods in the dark to see who was walking around on that same hill with flashlights? If it had been me after that experience and I'd later seen people with flashlights coming up the hill, I'd have set an Olympic record running in the opposite direction.

An Albanian survivor's experience of the massacre was: "For six hours, Rame Shabani lay motionless, his face pressed to the dirt, while Serb police and army units shot and mutilated 25 men on a hillside above the Albanian village of Racak. He escaped by throwing himself into a ravine when they opened fire.'...'I heard their screams as they were being massacred. They were begging for their lives,'' Shabani said, sitting cross-legged on the floor of a spartan room decorated only with a photograph of the victims' coffins blanketed with Albanian flags. When they were finished they sang a nationalist song: ``Who is saying, who is lying Serbia is small? Serbia is not small. Serbia is not small.''

To which you responded that "Rame Shabani did not come to alert search party who were searching for the dead with torchlights."

Now, DTA, put yourself in Shabani's shoes. He just avoided being murdered by hiding in a ravine as Serb police roamed around him shooting his relatives and neighbors. After six hours of hiding, he fled. We don't even know if he saw the search party later that night and even if he did, do you honestly think that he was going to go running through the woods in the dark to see who was walking around on that same hill with flashlights? If it had been me after that experience and I'd later seen people with flashlights coming up the hill, I'd have set an Olympic record running in the opposite direction.

Wraith, baby! this post is for your reply! all yours, let 'er rrrriiippp!

Recak was a KLA fabrication in order to give NATO/US an excuse to enter Kosovo. Iraq had it's excuse as did Vietnam. Getting public support seems to be an important factor in pushing an objective in a certain direction. Usually the answer is pretty simple. Mark and the might is right crowd seem to support this philosophy simply by having nothing else to do but project the lies Walker had supplied the world. That was the dude one poster stated was walking all over the scene of the crime?? They will believe what has obviously been fed to them for what ever reason. Right now lets see what happens.....

Mark old boy considering you were one of Walkers boys how is it that you can be considered objective therefore credible. I have credible Albanian sources that say the UCK prevented the KVM patrols from entering RACAK on January 15th and with news of this the local villagers were incensed by what had happened causing the villagers and KLA to be a odds in a huge way almost resulting in violence. The Racak villagers were angry because they felt the KLA contributed to the so called massacre to happen by doing this. Why were you not called to testify Mark. It just so convenient that you have all the answers. Well you don't. You sir are just somebody else's messenger boy....

The other huge question here is if you have all this first hand observations documented, why the hell were you and your grid coordinates not at the Milosivic trial testifying on behalf of the prosecution at the Hague. Your not important enough? Mark, with so much so called great info why was this not published with the OSCE reports to the world? You are nothing but a smoke screen, a tool that is still attached to William Walker, your boss. Just so damned convenient.....

The regional commander of the UCK, Buja (first name unknown) arrived

The dudes name is General Shukri Buja. I find this spin about Buja being angry at you for allowing the massacre to happen. What was the name of the local UCK commander under Buja whose men where involved in the Racak incident. You would have to know this Mark.....