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(Fr.)Frank Pavone Discusses the Last Moments of Terri Schiavo
Fox News ^ | 3/31/05

Posted on 04/01/2005 7:47:01 AM PST by marshmallow

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To: marshmallow
That's a good standard for deciding what someone is - what other people want to think they are.

For example, there are a lot of people here who think Randall Terry is a conservative, who revere him even. Of course, that doesn't make it so.

121 posted on 04/01/2005 9:42:55 AM PST by lugsoul (Wild Turkey)
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To: shhrubbery!

How much?


122 posted on 04/01/2005 9:43:25 AM PST by lugsoul (Wild Turkey)
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To: lugsoul
Glad you admit your gullibility.

Michael Schiavo has proved to the world what a POS he is. I predict you'll see his media supporters either shrink back into the woodwork, or start changing their tunes.

I also predict you'll be amongst the last give it up.

123 posted on 04/01/2005 9:49:01 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: lugsoul
Hmmm... I thought I heard Pavone say that he wasn't there. Oh, well.

I thought Felos said the same thing about himself yesterday. I thought he said that Michael, Michael's brother and Ms. Assistant-to-Felos were there.

It's hard to keep track of the variations upon variation that Forked-tongue Felos is able to deliver.

Felos is great at parsing words.

Here's just one sample (paraphrased from memory)

A reporter asked, yesterday, if Michael had an insurance policy onTerri or was the beneficiary on one. Felos said he wasn't aware of such a policy

. The reporter pressed again, for a clearer answer. Felos said, "My client has no policy on Terri" or "My client is not the beneficiary of any policy on Terri." "But someone else might be the (beneficiary of) or (have such) a policy."

Is Michael the only "my client" Felos has, or might Felos have been truthfully referring to different client as "my client who has no policy "? Might someone close to Michael have a policy on Terri?

124 posted on 04/01/2005 9:53:22 AM PST by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: lugsoul
That's a good standard for deciding what someone is - what other people want to think they are.

It depends who those "other people" are.

In Russell's case, if they're people who are themselves passionate about atheism, have studied it seriously and approach its promotion in a similar manner to the way a Christian evangelist tries to spread his religion, then yes that's exactly what it means.

When your writings about religion appeal to atheists-and lots of them- that actually means something.

Communists like what Marx wrote. Atheists like what Russell wrote.

What's difficult about that?

125 posted on 04/01/2005 9:55:02 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: GOP_Proud

Michael Schiavo's not allowing Terri's brother Robert in was a necessary thing to do because MS had to be consistent right up to the final moment in casting and re-casting himself as THE GOOD GUY in a sea of BAD GUYS. He had to make a show of continuing to protect Terri against those who would continue to "make her suffer". IOW, it is an ACT.


126 posted on 04/01/2005 10:01:43 AM PST by willyboyishere
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To: murphE
Thanks, Murph.

I'm trying to spend more time out here in the News forum.

Stops me getting into trouble with you guys.

127 posted on 04/01/2005 10:01:57 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: shhrubbery!
There's a wee problem with that Felos logic:

Father Pavone didn't utter that "venom" until AFTER the Schindlers were already kicked out of the room, and after Terri was already dead.

Great point!! I hope you don't mind I've repeated what you said.

128 posted on 04/01/2005 10:05:06 AM PST by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: Fudd Fan
If you heard Felos in his tirade yesterday, he had vicious things to say about the Father specifically.

Well, of course he was forced to behold the a bearer of the Crucifix, a Follower of Chirst, The Truth, The Way, The Light. The spokesman for death is darkness, he does not comprehend the Light.

129 posted on 04/01/2005 10:08:14 AM PST by AlbionGirl
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To: marshmallow
However, the solution is broader than that. We do have, here, a classic case of the question of throwing away disabled people. This woman was killed. She didn’t die of a terminal illness. She was killed, and it is a matter, therefore, of conscience, right now, for us all to ask: “Is this what we are going to continue to do with brain-injured people?” Because, whether they have expressed their wishes or not, obviously it can result in their death, as has happened today.

Much broader issues. I think the thing we all agree is she was injured, and she did not deserve this, and her killing was a grave injustice. More importantly, how are we going to prevent this in the future? Florida Statue 765.101 (10) must be amended. Call you state legislature and get it done. Being outraged is not enough.

Quote:
765.101 (10) "Life-prolonging procedure" means any medical procedure, treatment, or intervention, including artificially provided sustenance and hydration, which sustains, restores, or supplants a spontaneous vital function.
130 posted on 04/01/2005 10:11:31 AM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: marshmallow
So, Randall Terry is a "conservative," because people who study it and are passionate about it think so. And Matthew Hale is a "Christian," because people who study it and are passionate about it think so.

No, nothing hard about that at all.

131 posted on 04/01/2005 10:15:22 AM PST by lugsoul (Wild Turkey)
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To: marshmallow
"When your writings about religion appeal to atheists-and lots of them- that actually means something."

Yes. It means that atheists appreciate the writings of a really smart agnostic.

132 posted on 04/01/2005 10:16:54 AM PST by lugsoul (Wild Turkey)
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To: 1stFreedom
Hmm does it hurt to be "denined?"
133 posted on 04/01/2005 10:17:28 AM PST by Freedom Dignity n Honor
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To: syriacus
"On "Fox and Friends" this morning I could see his throat moving quite a bit, right before he first spoke. Like he was uncomfortable. Not exactly "Gulp. Gulp. Gulp," but something similar. I didn't notice any other guests' throats moving like that."

I WISH someone would ask Felos the question, that IF it was Terri's wish to die, "to not live like that", WHY was a feeding tube inserted in the 1st place???? Another freeper posted that question, and it keeps nagging at me. That question SHOULD be asked over and over and over again.

134 posted on 04/01/2005 10:17:37 AM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: 1stFreedom
Just don't de-eight me!

hehehe

135 posted on 04/01/2005 10:18:04 AM PST by Freedom Dignity n Honor
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor

hey c'mon now, this is series


136 posted on 04/01/2005 10:19:23 AM PST by 1stFreedom (1)
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To: jackibutterfly
WHY was a feeding tube inserted in the 1st place????

Good question.

( sarcasm) Perhaps Michael had amnesia for 7 years. (/sarcasm)

137 posted on 04/01/2005 10:30:42 AM PST by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: lugsoul

Bobby said he wanted to be there. Michael said no...and yes this type of death can be very predictable...(have you ever heard of the death rattle?). When death was very near, MS said no. That assured that Bobby would not be there. The parents were in transit.


138 posted on 04/01/2005 11:17:26 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Those who proclaim tolerance have the least for my views.)
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To: lugsoul

< It didn't take much for that to get turned into "Michael made the family leave at the moment of death," however. >

Bobby asked to be there at the time of death and MS said no. What part of that don't you get?


139 posted on 04/01/2005 11:21:23 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Those who proclaim tolerance have the least for my views.)
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To: willyboyishere

< Michael Schiavo's not allowing Terri's brother Robert in was a necessary thing to do because MS had to be consistent right up to the final moment in casting and re-casting himself as THE GOOD GUY in a sea of BAD GUYS. He had to make a show of continuing to protect Terri against those who would continue to "make her suffer". IOW, it is an ACT. >


Oh, no! MS made a terrible miscalculation. He had a chance to redeem himself a little by allowing the family in. He turned around and just blew the chance away. My cousin, who had really no interest in this subject 2 days ago couldn't believe it when I told her a bit ago. She was willing to let it lie, because HE IS the gaurdian, but she found this disturbing. I think this one decision by MS can turn around a lot of people who were giving him the benefit of the doubt.


140 posted on 04/01/2005 11:28:42 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Those who proclaim tolerance have the least for my views.)
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