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Black holes 'do not exist'
Nature ^ | 03/31/05 | Philip Ball

Posted on 03/31/2005 4:41:46 PM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo

Black holes are staples of science fiction and many think astronomers have observed them indirectly. But according to a physicist at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, these awesome breaches in space-time do not and indeed cannot exist.

Over the past few years, observations of the motions of galaxies have shown that some 70% the Universe seems to be composed of a strange 'dark energy' that is driving the Universe's accelerating expansion.

George Chapline thinks that the collapse of the massive stars, which was long believed to generate black holes, actually leads to the formation of stars that contain dark energy. "It's a near certainty that black holes don't exist," he claims.

Black holes are one of the most celebrated predictions of Einstein's general theory of relativity, which explains gravity as the warping of space-time caused by massive objects. The theory suggests that a sufficiently massive star, when it dies, will collapse under its own gravity to a single point.

But Einstein didn't believe in black holes, Chapline argues. "Unfortunately", he adds, "he couldn't articulate why." At the root of the problem is the other revolutionary theory of twentieth-century physics, which Einstein also helped to formulate: quantum mechanics.

(Excerpt) Read more at nature.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: artbell; blackholes; cosmology; cosmos; einstein; georgechapline; grayholes; quantummechanics; stephenhawking; stringtheory
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

Your link doesn't appear to be working


21 posted on 03/31/2005 5:09:22 PM PST by neutrality
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To: neutrality

Actually it seems I just can't access nature.com for some reason


22 posted on 03/31/2005 5:10:14 PM PST by neutrality
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To: Dr. Frank fan
Science just keeps screwing up the best science fiction. First they told me that laser-guns and explosions in space wouldn't make any noise.

Niven's Law number 2:

Never fire a laser at a mirror.

And if you thought that laser-guns and explosions in space would make a noise then you haven't been paying attention to science fiction for about 30 years.

Remember the tag line to the first Alien movie (1979)?

23 posted on 03/31/2005 5:10:20 PM PST by Phsstpok ("When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring.")
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To: Straight Vermonter

Just another contractor from Lawrence Livermore posing as a National Laboratory and looking for more contract money.

A Nuclear Weapons Lab without any mission.


25 posted on 03/31/2005 5:12:38 PM PST by satan
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
"It's a near certainty that black holes don't exist,"

Obviously the writer has never spent a spring here in Michigan and blown a tire and ruined his suspension hitting one of those non-existant black holes.........

26 posted on 03/31/2005 5:17:52 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (After 32 years of dealing with stupid people I still haven't earned the right to just shoot them.)
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To: Phsstpok
And if you thought that laser-guns and explosions in space would make a noise

You know - when I was, like, 5 years old :)

Remember the tag line to the first Alien movie (1979)?

Of course. That's what burst the bubble for me. "They CAN'T?" ;-)

27 posted on 03/31/2005 5:18:46 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Publius6961
sorting my socks.

And where do you think all the missing socks go to? It's caused by dark energy, I'm telling you.

28 posted on 03/31/2005 5:20:27 PM PST by mhx
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To: printhead

Oprah ?


29 posted on 03/31/2005 5:25:42 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (*Gregoire is French for Stealing an Election*)
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To: mhx
And where do you think all the missing socks go to?

Nice catch.
I was totally oblivious as to why a thread about black holes would make me think about socks...

30 posted on 03/31/2005 5:31:09 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Kimba
Barney's head is very selective about what it "sucks in"!

Putz comes to mind.

31 posted on 03/31/2005 5:51:09 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

George Chapline never met Hillary Clinton.


32 posted on 03/31/2005 6:03:06 PM PST by Bars4Bill
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To: Fiat volvntas tva
Obviously, someone hasn't looked inside Barney Frank's head.

Not to mention his ___

34 posted on 03/31/2005 6:09:58 PM PST by JohnnyZ (“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

I don't know from this stuff, but when I look up at night, what I see are white holes. Whatever is out there is black, and there's a whole bunch of it. Except there are these little white holes in it in the shapes of bears and crabs and stuff. I think these might be primitive sky drawings done by asteroid men whose only tool was the "pin."


37 posted on 03/31/2005 6:20:22 PM PST by Nick Danger (You can stick a fork in the Mullahs -- they're done.)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

Free space trips tomorrow. Eat at Cosmos.


38 posted on 03/31/2005 6:23:26 PM PST by MaxMax (GOD BLESS AMERICA)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

The real question is:

Has he made this announcement on Art Bell or George Norry's show?

He is not an *official* wack job until then.


39 posted on 03/31/2005 6:24:51 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (3.0 x 10^8 M/sec. Its not just a good idea...its the Law)
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To: mhx

Socks are the larval form of wire coathangers. Every time a sock disappears from your washing machine, a wire coathanger appears in your closet. This is why, every six months or so, you have to grab a big handful of them and throw them out, lest they take over your closet.

The sock manufacturers do not want you to know this.

40 posted on 03/31/2005 6:25:07 PM PST by Nick Danger (You can stick a fork in the Mullahs -- they're done.)
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