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Schiavo Kin: Parents Not Wanted at Burial
Guardian ^ | 3/31/05 | MICHAEL RUBINKAM

Posted on 03/31/2005 3:02:29 PM PST by hipaatwo

Associated Press Writer

LEVITTOWN, Pa. (AP) - Terri Schiavo's ashes will be buried in an undisclosed location near Philadelphia so that her immediate family doesn't show up and turn the burial into a media spectacle, a member of the Schiavo family said Thursday.

``If Mike knew they would come in peace, he would have no problem with it,'' Scott Schiavo, Michael Schiavo's brother, said during an interview at his home.

After an autopsy, Michael Schiavo plans to have his wife's body cremated and her ashes brought to Pennsylvania, where she grew up. Scott Schiavo said the ashes would be buried in a plot left by an aunt and uncle, but the family does not plan on providing the specficic location for the burial - underscoring the bitterness of the dispute.

Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, had fought for years to prevent her feeding tube from being removed, and they opposed cremation and wanted her buried in Florida.

Neither Terri Schiavo's parents nor her siblings addressed the issue of her burial in their remarks to reporters in Florida on Thursday. A spiritual adviser to her parents, Paul O'Donnell, said they plan to hold a Roman Catholic Mass without her body sometime next week.

Scott Schiavo said he received a stream of calls Thursday from people denouncing him. On his answering machine was a message from a man from Texas who called the Schiavo family murderers.

Police made visits Thursday to both Scott Schiavo's home and the home of his brother, William, in Philadelphia, as a result of threats to the families.

Scott Schiavo expressed relief that his sister-in-law's ordeal was over, and anger at those who have attacked the Schiavo family.

``This isn't over by a long shot, We're going to get our name right,'' he said. ``The world is going to know who Mike was, they're going to know Mike wasn't a beast.''

At Terri Schiavo's alma mater, Archbishop Wood High School in Warminster, workers changed a sign that read ``Terri Schiavo, Class of 1981, We pray that you may live'' to ``We pray that you rest in peace.''


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To: TontoKowalski

I agree.
The LEAST he could do is let the family handle the funeral and burial. He needs to close an UGLY chapter with SOME decency.


221 posted on 03/31/2005 6:12:19 PM PST by Muzzle_em
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To: DarthVader

The heck with the resume ... I'd torch HIM.


222 posted on 03/31/2005 6:20:52 PM PST by Babalu ("Tracer rounds work both ways ...")
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To: american colleen

I was not prepared to learn that they are Lutherans.


223 posted on 03/31/2005 6:25:52 PM PST by Siobhan (Theresa Marie Schindler, Martyr for the Gospel of Life, pray for us.)
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To: Buford Montana

Speaking of weddings, in the eyes of the church, does Terri's death now make MS a widower now able to marry the "devout catholic" mistress, with full blessings of the church?


224 posted on 03/31/2005 6:26:54 PM PST by lil'bit
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To: HairOfTheDog

I'm assuming that since she was a practicing Catholic, she would have observed the Church's rules concerning marriage.


225 posted on 03/31/2005 6:27:06 PM PST by RPTMS (Screw the WPPFF)
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To: Skooz; Admin Moderator

I added no keywords when I posted this thread. It has been brought to my attention that they were added and in no way do they reflect my sentiments. I didn't know that keywords can be added by someone other than the poster of the article. Can you please remove them. Thank you.


226 posted on 03/31/2005 6:27:15 PM PST by hipaatwo (Starve Mumia!)
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To: lil'bit

Yes. They are free to marry. The only thing that would disqualify their getting married would be if the mistress has a husband still living.


228 posted on 03/31/2005 6:30:11 PM PST by RPTMS (Screw the WPPFF)
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To: Siobhan
Lisa McPherson

You aren't gonna believe this but guess which county coroner screwed up the autopsy of Lisa McPherson so consequently the state of Florida dropped the charges against the Scientologists?

Actually, I know you know, but I didn't until you posted the name of Lisa McPherson and of course I 'googled' it. Posted the link above for lurkers.

229 posted on 03/31/2005 6:33:21 PM PST by american colleen
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To: Siobhan
I was not prepared to learn that they are Lutherans.

I'd guess they aren't much of anything but were baptized at one time in the Lutheran church.

230 posted on 03/31/2005 6:34:48 PM PST by american colleen
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To: RPTMS

People say she was a practicing Catholic, but people are saying a lot of things that aren't proven. I just was curious, because people are claiming a Catholic funeral would have been so important to her, why then, did she marry a Lutheran, and did she marry him in a Lutheran, secular or Catholic wedding, if anyone knows. It might be a clue as to how Catholic she actually was. I think a lot of people are putting their words in her mouth.


231 posted on 03/31/2005 6:35:32 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Shadrak
He is saying, when the tense in a sentence is changed or incorrect, the person may be trying to deceive you. Further questioning is needed to determine the truth.

It would certainly be possible that the language I quoted might be used deceptively. I would not, however, consider it a good example of deceptive language without context because IMHO the context, more than the statement of itself, would be the major clue as to its veracity.

Indeed, as I think about it, I would argue that the verb tense doesn't change. The verb "could" in that context is nothing more nor less than the past tense of the verb "can", used metaphorically. Although normal usage would be to rewrite sentences using "can" using the alternate form "to be able to" [thus "I can go to the store" would become "I was able to go to the store"] certain verbs dealing with perception have metaphorical meanings when combined with "can" that don't really work with the alternate form.

Consider "I can smell the new carpeting" with "I smell the new carpeting", "I am smelling the new carpeting", or "I am able to smell the new carpeting". The first sentence indicates that I am right now perceiving the odors from the new carpeting but am not seeking them out or otherwise acting upon them. The second sentence suggests that that I actively seek out or analyze the odors from the carpet. The third sentence indicates that I am actively seeking out or analyzing odors from the carpet. The fourth sentence says that when I am in the presence of the new carpeting I can perceive its odor, but it does not say that I am doing so right now.

I would say that the past tense forms of these sentences would be "I could smell the carpet", "I smelled the carpet", "I was smelling the carpet", and "I was able to smell the carpet". I know that grammar school teachers would frown upon using "could" as the past-tense form of "can", but I know of no other construct to give the same meaning.

A better example for the web-site author to have used might have been "As the thief walked near me, I could kick him". There, the verb "could" is clearly not in the past perfect tense. Depending upon context, it might be in the past imperfect tense; unless the rest of the narrative was in the imperfect tense, however, [e.g. "While I was tied up, the thief paced back and forth. As the thief walked by me, I could kick him. Since he wore padded boots, however, he just ignored it."] such usage would seem strange.

232 posted on 03/31/2005 6:36:02 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: lil'bit

Jodi is divorced, so they will not be having a Catholic ceremony.


233 posted on 03/31/2005 6:36:14 PM PST by ContraryMary (WPPFF Member)
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To: dcnd9; mystery-ak; Northern Yankee; luvs tradition; Caravaggio; Wild Bill 10; antceecee; RPTMS
I think it would be wonderful if they Schindlers and Schiavos could come together for a funeral and entombment. But I don't think it will happen. However, Terri is not being denied any Catholic essentials as some have claimed.

Anyone know if it will be in a Catholic cemetery as required by the Catholic Faith [to be in consecrated ground]?

A Catholic cemetery is not a "required by the Catholic Faith"

Terri will also be denied the Mass of the Resurrection...another slap at her parents and Catholics.

She will have a funeral mass, but her body won't be there.

He would not allow daily Communion.

She couldn't swallow, it might have killed her early.

I am having a hard time understanding why the Shindlers are not given the respect to bury their daughter with all the Rites of the Catholic Church.

People sometimes don't realize the funeral mass is not a sacrament, but a celebration. And she can have one, body or not.

I am sure they would rather have a Mass of Resurrection, but that is not possible without a body.

That is not correct. I have been to such a mass without the body.

Better yet, why not let the parents have a Catholic service, blessing of the body and then he can have his cremation?

Not a bad idea. But I think the animosity and distrust is too great.

It had to have been. Catholics are only allowed to be married in a Catholic church, even in mixed marriages.

This isn't true. To be married in the Catholic church, they must be a priest in attendance, along with certain ceremonies, that must be performed. But these can be integrated into another ceremony at another church.

234 posted on 03/31/2005 6:37:18 PM PST by Buford Montana
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To: SZonian

"Sure, Mom and Dad, come on up. You can stay at the house. Bring some protestors with you if you like. And I'm trying to work out the program for the service, so let me know when you want to scream "MURDERER" at me."


235 posted on 03/31/2005 6:38:35 PM PST by lugsoul (Wild Turkey)
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To: Buford Montana

Thanks for the thoughts.


236 posted on 03/31/2005 6:40:33 PM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs a soldier)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Religion:
Theresa, Roman Catholic. Michael, Lutheran.

Wedding Date and Ceremony:
November 10, 1984 at Our Lady of Good Counsel Church in Southhampton, Pennsylvania.

237 posted on 03/31/2005 6:40:50 PM PST by lil'bit
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To: hipaatwo
The world is going to know who Mike was, they're going to know Mike wasn't a beast.''

Sounds like the first commercial for the upcoming book.

238 posted on 03/31/2005 6:41:40 PM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: lugsoul
so let me know when you want to scream "MURDERER" at me

I'm sure OJ wanted to bury Nicole without Fred Goldman being present.

239 posted on 03/31/2005 6:42:45 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Mmmike
"What ongoing feud? I only see shots coming from one direction in this "ongoing feud." It's easy to play the noble peacemaker if at first you fudge the facts..."

There is no "fudging" of facts.

What is really needed is a legal autopsy. I believe her death is a tragedy and I also believe there is another agenda behind this - desensitizing people to euthanasia. Can't you see it now, suggesting to the informed that they are hoggin scare resources and costing money our Medicare or Medicaid system can't afford and you've lived long enough - guilt trip - to encourage them to end their life. The handwriting is on the wall for this and again why we need a legal autopsy to make sure this can not happen again.

I've read some of the earlier legal documents and the Shindlers, I'd bet, unknowingly, legally set themselves up. They sorely lacked seasoned council. Decisions had been made with agreement by the Shindlers, precedents set with agreement by the Shindlers and they were legally boxed in.

that is why seeing them desperately going from court to court and asking them to review and start again what had already been established was so sad to watch. It wasn't going to happen. This had been going on for 15 years!

I'll give you a recent specific. The Shindler attorney failed to even show up at an emergency hearing to present the "ah wa" uttering when it happened. Geesh! It came too late and looked contrived. I don't think it was but the courts didn't see it that way.

I believe it would have been right err on the side of life but it didn't work out that way. We need a legal autopsy to have more safe guards in place for those that haven't expressed their wishes. I saw a conflict of interest in Michael being her legal guardian but again the Shindlers supported it till their relationship soured. And on and on it goes. I don't know if we will ever know the whole truth.

Felos is a nutjob. He thrives on death. Ideally he'd like to do this to all disabled people. How he described Terri looking "beautiful" is absurd. No one looks "beautiful" starving to death but Felos wasn't the one on trial. Our culture has allowed these nuts to go unchecked under the First Amendment. Ask any idiot on FR and eventually one will state something like I'll fight to the death to give the person the right to voice their views. I sure wouldn't do that with Felos. Let him be silenced though shame on his views. So our general culture has contributed to what we see going on in the courts. NOW, we are seeing the results of what we have sown.

240 posted on 03/31/2005 6:42:57 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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