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Public execution
The Spectator ^ | 2 April 2005 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/31/2005 5:25:20 AM PST by mal

Do you remember a fellow called Robert Wendland? No reason why you should. I wrote about him in this space in 1998, and had intended to return to the subject but something else always intervened — usually Bill Clinton’s penis, which loomed large, at least metaphorically, over the entire era. Mr Wendland lived in Stockton, California. He was injured in an automobile accident in 1993 and went into a coma. Under state law, he could have been starved to death at any time had his wife requested the removal of his feeding tube. But Rose Wendland was busy with this and that, as one is, and assumed there was no particular urgency.

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To: AndrewC
But he's not the one with an inconsistent judgement. It was Birch who stated that jurisdiction is a prerequisite to justice(the legitimate exercise of judicial power).

That's your opinion that it is inconsistent because you disagree with the outcome. I am assuming -- correct me if I'm wrong -- that you think justice in this instance means an outcome favorable to the Schindlers. If that's your premise, then yes it would seem inconsistent. However, if we were to enter into any civil or criminal dispute simply to accept a predetermined outcome then there is no need for courts of law. We might as well solve our disputes like they did in the days of Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton.

181 posted on 03/31/2005 1:35:28 PM PST by ContraryMary (WPPFF Member)
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To: scholar; Bullish; linear; yoda swings

Ping


182 posted on 03/31/2005 1:40:58 PM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: winstonchurchill

What in the hell are you talking about?

You infer that he has written a directive keeping him alive "at all costs" just because he is on a temporary feeding tube to help him regain his strength?

I don't get it.


183 posted on 03/31/2005 1:45:12 PM PST by MiniCooperChick (God Bless America!)
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To: agrace
He considers himself a new age mystic. It has been published that during meditation his preferred mantra is "I am that I am."

It is horrible that he (and unfortunately a lot of people that I have heard on various radio call-ins) did not acknowledge that Terri was as she was. She was not the vibrant, happy twenty-something that Michael married, but when she smiled at the sound of her parents' voices, she was a human being with a right to more than her husband ever gave her.

184 posted on 03/31/2005 1:56:14 PM PST by maica (Ask a Deathocrat: "When did you decide to support death always - except for condemned criminals?")
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To: ContraryMary
That's your opinion that it is inconsistent because you disagree with the outcome.

No, I placed his(Birch) exact words for you to see. There should have been no decision except for the constitutionality of the law when the Schindlers presented their suit. Since the courts took the application it was admission that they had jurisdiction. Justice, in this instance, is to review, de novo, the acceptance of hearsay evidence from a party who stood to gain from his hearsay evidence at the expense of the life of a citizen of the United States. That was not done.

185 posted on 03/31/2005 2:04:03 PM PST by AndrewC (All these moments are tossed in lime, like trains in the rear.)
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To: Calpernia

Bump


186 posted on 03/31/2005 2:16:47 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: Fintan
They would just say as Freaky Felos says:
"It was Terri's wishes" not the soldiers wishes!

Felos/MSchiavo = Arrogance and Pride

Schindlers = Humility and Forgiveness
187 posted on 03/31/2005 2:25:16 PM PST by dcnd9
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To: Pokey78

Thanks for posting, Pokey.


188 posted on 03/31/2005 3:12:23 PM PST by Roscoe Karns
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To: Calpernia

Thanks, Calpernia!


189 posted on 03/31/2005 4:06:10 PM PST by windchime (Hillary: "I've always been a preying person")
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To: AndrewC
There should have been no decision except for the constitutionality of the law when the Schindlers presented their suit.

You're way off base. The court cannot decide issues that are not presented before it, and the constitutionality of the law was not presented.

Since the courts took the application it was admission that they had jurisdiction.

No, the court had jurisdiction because the law specifically granted jurisdiction -- a right that is well within the purview of Congress.

Justice, in this instance, is to review, de novo, the acceptance of hearsay evidence from a party who stood to gain from his hearsay evidence at the expense of the life of a citizen of the United States. That was not done.

No, justice was to see that Terri's wishes were carried out. Terri made her wishes known seven different times. I am well aware that even if she had made her wishes known a hundred times that would still not be enough to satisfy the crowd that is perfectly willing to foist upon her a life they would not want for themselves. Today she is whole again and in Paradise. As heartbreaking it is for those she left behind, it is her wishes.

190 posted on 03/31/2005 4:35:46 PM PST by ContraryMary (WPPFF Member)
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To: ContraryMary
The court cannot decide issues that are not presented before it, and the constitutionality of the law was not presented.

It certainly was. When the Schindlers presented the application to the federal court, it was the federal courts duty to determine it's legality. The Schindlers did not present their petition under the protection of the law to the 9th circus.

191 posted on 03/31/2005 4:40:44 PM PST by AndrewC (All these moments are tossed in lime, like trains in the rear.)
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To: AndrewC

I suggest you re-read the rulings. The constitutionality of the law was not argued in court.


192 posted on 03/31/2005 4:57:43 PM PST by ContraryMary (WPPFF Member)
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To: ContraryMary
I suggest you re-read the rulings.

I suggest you read it for the first time.

193 posted on 03/31/2005 4:59:50 PM PST by AndrewC (All these moments are tossed in lime, like trains in the rear.)
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To: Pokey78

thank you for necessary unexcerpting


194 posted on 03/31/2005 7:41:04 PM PST by irv
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To: AndrewC

Read the doctrine contained in the following post,..it explains to the believer why human intervention in death isn't appropriate,...in the case you've cited, the officer will now undergo a judgment seat review for his decisions and actions before the Lord. If the person he killed, hadn't yet accepted Christ in faith, then the execution merely prolonged a living condemnation towards promoting and eternal condemnation of that soul. Hardly a compassionate, humane, action to eliminate misery.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1357792/posts?page=1068#1068


195 posted on 04/02/2005 8:48:00 AM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Cvengr
Read the doctrine contained in the following post,..it explains to the believer why human intervention in death isn't appropriate,

I don't care about some doctrine that man promotes. I care about the word of God. This is His Word.

Exd 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.

Terri was murdered. If you share it that, may God have mercy on your soul.

196 posted on 04/02/2005 2:51:37 PM PST by AndrewC (All these moments are tossed in lime, like trains in the rear.)
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To: AndrewC

As we continue in faith, we live by doctrine (pistis in the Greek refers to the initial saving faith to the unbeliever and to post salvation doctrine inculcated in the soul for the believer).

My response referenced the article you provided of an officer who shot an injured man, believing he was acting mercifully.

The Law directing us not to murder doesn't imply we are not to defend legitimate authority, where appropriate, by deadly force.

There are many who may be rather confused as to what action is appropriate when following the law you have provided who have not inculcated doctrine in their soul. Those believers who have not inculcated doctrine in their souls might also obey they law, but error in moral degeneracy by failing to act responsibly per the Word doctrinally.

In the case of the officer, he might have sinned by killing his fellow man by believing the death would lessen physical suffering, not realizing that in some situations the physical suffering might be a testing of the soul to remain faithful in the spirit.

In the case of Terri, a spectrum of faulty and confused reasoning has been presented from both sides justifying many positions. I suspect her situation is only understood by God, or might be simply a mystery to the angels.


197 posted on 04/02/2005 7:08:09 PM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Cvengr

I see I misunderstood your message. I beg your forgiveness.


198 posted on 04/02/2005 7:30:24 PM PST by AndrewC (All these moments are tossed in lime, like trains in the rear.)
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To: AndrewC

No begging required,..enthusiastically and joyfully delivered.


199 posted on 04/02/2005 7:43:02 PM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Cvengr

Psa 133:1 [[A Song of degrees of David.]] Behold, how good and how pleasant [it is] for brethren to dwell together in unity!

Psa 133:2 [It is] like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, [even] Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

Psa 133:3 As the dew of Hermon, [and as the dew] that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, [even] life for evermore.


200 posted on 04/02/2005 8:42:14 PM PST by AndrewC (All these moments are tossed in lime, like trains in the rear.)
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