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US tells India, drop dead
Rediff ^ | March 28, 2005 | Kanchan Gupta

Posted on 03/31/2005 2:37:47 AM PST by Gengis Khan

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To: sukhoi-30mki
There is more than one resource which states that a leased Pakistani F-16 Blk 15,along with the (abandoned) Israeli Lavi fighter...

Yes, we could talk all day about Israeli tech tranfers to China......:)

81 posted on 03/31/2005 6:33:24 AM PST by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
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To: Avenger; Gengis Khan
Both of you are correct - India needs to stand up for itself and have the backbone to do what is important for it.

Recognize Taiwan, sign a defense treaty with it, ensure it gets massive investment in return, to heck with "Chinese sensibilities". If Chicoms can try to encircle India, well, two can play that game.

Regarding the US - both of you are again correct. The US respects power and strength, not Gandhian nonviolence (that nonsense is only for public consumption, not for formulating policy).
82 posted on 03/31/2005 6:39:15 AM PST by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: smith288

Akin to that if you remove all that diplomatic smooth talk.


83 posted on 03/31/2005 6:40:02 AM PST by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: Jim Noble

Very well said.


84 posted on 03/31/2005 6:40:43 AM PST by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: ScreamingFist

Umm,Ronald Reagan & Rajiv Gandhi signed watershed agreements on Defense & technology cooperation in the early 80s.US companies( NG in particular) cooperated with India on it's indegnious Light combat aircraft & the US supplied subsystems for the Indian navy's Sea Harrier & SeaKing aircraft.The IN's 4 Type-209 class subs use US firecontrol systems.That was just a start & Bush sr continued things,but Billyboy slowed things down,before killing it(& restarting it!!!).You are right,GWB has offered India much,but to be blunt,those offers don't go as far as the kind of cooperation that Russia,Israel & France have with India.


85 posted on 03/31/2005 6:40:50 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: ScreamingFist

Let's do just that then. I believe Israel felt really pi$$ed when America stopped them from selling the Phalcon AWACS at the last minute. Thankfully, Bush gave the go-ahead for that sale to be diverted to India.


86 posted on 03/31/2005 6:41:39 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: ScreamingFist

To be fair to the Israelis,their relationship started with the PRC when Beijing was the buzzword in the West.The US did supply plenty of systems to the Chinese in late 70s & most of the 80s & that's when cooperation regarding the Lavi began with China.


87 posted on 03/31/2005 6:42:28 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: razoroccam

"Recognize Taiwan, sign a defense treaty with it, ensure it gets massive investment in return, to heck with "Chinese sensibilities". If Chicoms can try to encircle India, well, two can play that game."

And then what?...Have Paki F-16s (gifted by America) and Chicom Su30s raiding our capital from opposite directions?


88 posted on 03/31/2005 6:44:08 AM PST by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: Gengis Khan

Translation of article: The US wants more help from Pakistan in the hunt for bin Ladin on its Afghan border.


89 posted on 03/31/2005 6:44:35 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: Gengis Khan

I guess their skipping the whole national infrastructure thing what with indoor plumbing, diesel powered trains, a road system, and jumping straight to the high tech weapons and gadgets?

I'm really getting tired of the "ancient civilizations" downing the US because we've only been around a couple hundred years. You'd think that these long time countries would have progressed beyond caste systems, rickshaw draggin', and eating bugs.

Lets see if I've got this right - we put men on the moon almost 40 years ago, and these jacka$$es are just now getting a squadron of supersonic fighters together?

The only reason every man woman and child in the US has not progressed beyond what we have is because we're being held back by these turd worlder's.


90 posted on 03/31/2005 6:44:58 AM PST by Waterleak (I pity the fool)
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To: ScreamingFist

I recall an airshow exhibit of a new Chinese fighter that resembled an F16, was on display for one day and was pulled from public view. I thought then, they copied our MD F16 from the missing Taiwanese one.


91 posted on 03/31/2005 6:46:06 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

Which can be interpreted as the US should have sold attack Apaches or Blackhawks with stand off missiles & upgraded the Pakistani Orions to be used for overland surveillance rather than sell F-16s.


92 posted on 03/31/2005 6:46:10 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Gengis Khan
May as well sell some to Iran also. Very very very stupid move. Dumb as hell. Strongly appose this one. Are we trying to appease the Muslims? Because it will not work. Those F-16's can be used against us at a drop of a hat.
Amazed.

Why are we picking a fight with India? Because that is what this is. A swift kick in the crotch.
93 posted on 03/31/2005 6:49:52 AM PST by SQUID
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To: Gengis Khan

China won't be able to attack India and Taiwan at the same time.


94 posted on 03/31/2005 6:54:34 AM PST by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: SQUID

That too when India and the US are natural allies.


95 posted on 03/31/2005 6:55:23 AM PST by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Which can be interpreted as the US should have sold attack Apaches or Blackhawks with stand off missiles & upgraded the Pakistani Orions to be used for overland surveillance rather than sell F-16s.

I'm guessing Sukhoi, but I bet the F-16's were promised to Pakistani from day one for their help in Afganistan. They wanted and needed F-16 spares so badly before 9/11 that I can't believe the issue wouldn't have come up from the start.

96 posted on 03/31/2005 6:58:31 AM PST by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
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To: azhenfud
I recall an airshow exhibit of a new Chinese fighter that resembled an F16

Yes. It was also amazing how the Israeli Lavi looked just like an F-16 with canards ;)

97 posted on 03/31/2005 7:01:08 AM PST by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
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To: razoroccam

India aligning itself against China would require a formal alliance with the US. India cant and wont go it alone against China.

And India will be willing to have an alliance with the US only if the US is willing to let go of Pakistan.


98 posted on 03/31/2005 7:01:13 AM PST by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: ScreamingFist

Yep,that's the most logical reason.Besides,gifts can also be used to encourage behaviour along expected lines,if not for rewards.Pakistan's record on nuclear proliferation & shutting down of terror groups hasn't been too satisfactory.Though I doubt things will drastically change with the military in power.


99 posted on 03/31/2005 7:01:43 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: ScreamingFist

Wasn't the LAVI a joint US-Israeli project???IIRC,Lockheed Martin was involved.


100 posted on 03/31/2005 7:02:52 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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