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Why the pro-life lobby lost a do-or-die battle
The Age (Australia) ^ | 3/31/05 | Michael Cook

Posted on 03/30/2005 10:15:58 PM PST by freespirited

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She is not on life support. Her care is not expensive. Why does her disability deserve a death sentence?

It doesn't.

1 posted on 03/30/2005 10:15:58 PM PST by freespirited
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To: freespirited
"To break the tie, Greer engaged a fifth neurologist, Dr Ronald Cranford. He is well spoken and highly convincing. He is also a spokesman for the right-to-die movement. His testimony tilted the scales."

Bastards!

2 posted on 03/30/2005 10:19:43 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

I echo that, JimRob.


3 posted on 03/30/2005 10:21:32 PM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: freespirited
"The American disability lawyer and activist Harriet McBryde Johnson put it clearly: "This belief that withdrawing a feeding tube is different than other killing - why is that a reasonable distinction? I haven't heard anybody say it would be OK to kill Terri Schiavo if she weren't on a feeding tube."

Well put.

This article is a must read.

4 posted on 03/30/2005 10:26:06 PM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: Jim Robinson

According to Time magazine's investigative reporter
interviewed by Bill O'Reilly tonight, Judge Greer placed
more weight on the examination and determinations made by
the neurologist from Cleveland, Ohio, Dr. Bambakidis, who
the Time reporter said was a neutral party: (not hired by Michael or the parents).


5 posted on 03/30/2005 10:29:01 PM PST by onyx (Robert Frost "Good fences make good neighbors." Build the fence, Mr. President and Congress.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hey! The big cheese chimes in!

The sick part of all this is that a life is taken because the parents didn't get the right people, not that they didn't have a case. There's something wrong with that.

I matters concerning life and death, do overs should be automatic. They are in capital murder cases.

Heck even kindergarten kids playing baseball have the sense to know that a do over is preferable to seeing a game won or lost on a questionable play.


6 posted on 03/30/2005 10:30:43 PM PST by Critter (America, home of the whipped.)
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The sick part of all this is that a life is taken because the parents didn't get the right people, not that they didn't have a case. There's something wrong with that.


Yes, this is the sad part. I think they're very nice people who were very naive about what they were up against. They should have gone to disability and/or pro-life organizations from the beginning. But, even if they didn't understand, their lawyer should have and HE should have sought advice from groups better versed in disability rights and right to life issues. Terri lost her fight the minute her "husband" got the malpractice settlement.

Cindie


7 posted on 03/30/2005 10:46:56 PM PST by gardencatz (I may look like a girl but I'm not, I'm a cyborg! -- Katsura)
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To: Jim Robinson

I think when she passes, a sense of shame will set in among some who wanted her gone.

These doctors/legal slimeballs might not be too popular next week at their country club.

Just a thought.


8 posted on 03/30/2005 10:52:53 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (America is gradually becoming the Godless,out-of-control golden-calf scene,in "The Ten Commandments")
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To: gardencatz

No regular family could have been prepared for this kind of legal and media fight.

The piranhas of the law and the airwaves are overwhelming in their force.

And all but a few stood by and let them be eaten.


9 posted on 03/30/2005 10:52:53 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("I thirst.")
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To: freespirited

Oh, so this is how it happened. I'm very disturbed by the fact that known euthanasia advocates were able to sway the decision but I see what happened now.

Couple this with the terrible mistake their lawyer made when the case went federal (choosing to argue about Greer instead of taking the chance to start over anew with new judges), and the mistakes are heartbreaking.

But they didn't have the money Michael had. Nor does it seem they had any clue all of this was going to happen until after Michael got the money and changed his tune. I can't judge them, I don't know how well-educated and capable I would have been in a similar situation.

I do know that watching your daughter starve to death, a daughter who is still responsive with you and who can obviously still feel the pain of her forced death, must be torment.


10 posted on 03/30/2005 10:57:25 PM PST by DameAutour
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"This belief that withdrawing a feeding tube is different than other killing - why is that a reasonable distinction? I haven't heard anybody say it would be OK to kill Terri Schiavo if she weren't on a feeding tube."

Good point. It is not a "reasonable distinction". It's most certainly, NOT "ok". It may be legal (in Florida anyway) but that doesn't make it right.

...Continued prayers for Terri...

11 posted on 03/30/2005 10:58:42 PM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: onyx

Dr. Bambakidis was appointed by Judge Greer whose neutrality seems questionable at best.


12 posted on 03/30/2005 10:59:18 PM PST by skr (May God bless those in harm's way and confound those who would do the harming)
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To: Jim Robinson

Cranford is bastards? He is bastard, in the singular.


13 posted on 03/30/2005 11:01:12 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: skr

Wasn't there a Bambakidis-Felos liaison before he was brought into the case?


14 posted on 03/30/2005 11:03:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Jim Robinson

I don't know, I think Cranford has enough bastard in him to be pluralized.

HANNITY: Did you once say that people in vegetative states should have no constitutional rights? Did you once, sir, say that patients with advanced Alzheimer's Disease, it makes no sense at all to put a feeding tube in them? Did you say those things?

CRANFORD: I think I did write an article on constitutional rights many years ago with another constitutional scholar about the constitutional rights in a vegetative state...

HANNITY: So you said it?

CRANFORD: Yes. Yes, I did.


15 posted on 03/30/2005 11:06:35 PM PST by kenth
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To: skr
You're questioning Greer's neutrality because you don't like his rulings.
He sought a neutral, independent neurologist from out of state, and Bambakidis fit the bill.
16 posted on 03/30/2005 11:15:56 PM PST by onyx (Robert Frost "Good fences make good neighbors." Build the fence, Mr. President and Congress.)
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To: onyx

Bambakidis and Felos were friends, as I have heard.


17 posted on 03/30/2005 11:17:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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...a 41-year-old brain-damaged Florida woman is slowly dying at her husband's request.

"Request?"

Technically, maybe.



In the real world, NO.

18 posted on 03/30/2005 11:18:39 PM PST by Petronski (The last lonely man in the deep woods.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That's been totally discredited.
The Time reporter looked into that allegation straight away.


20 posted on 03/30/2005 11:20:55 PM PST by onyx (Robert Frost "Good fences make good neighbors." Build the fence, Mr. President and Congress.)
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