Posted on 03/30/2005 7:14:14 PM PST by wagglebee
REAL Scientist will -
The others knew - what was expected of them. They couldn't even bluff it.
Now - discredited doctor that spends 10 hours to conduct a thorough examine.
Your hero doctor spends less than hour.
What doctor would YOU go if you need a neurologist?
YOUR HERO OR YOUR "DiSCREDITED ONE"
The Schindlers have to be discredited. They caused all of this. They wouldn't STFU. And it's caused people to be mad at Jeb Bush. And they caused President Bush and congress to do something that made the liberals mad and the POTUS polls to drop.
But worst of all.....they gave Randall Terry, Keyes and Klaman a cause. Which has set the pro life movement back decades. These people didn't give one single thought to the political ramifications of their actions. I believe the word used most often is "shameless".
People are starved to death everyday in hospitals and nursing homes. By making a big deal about Terri, now everybody knows this fact. Until they butted in, this was carried out by families with no problem. Thanks for nothing, Schindlers!
Parents should realize that when their child marries, that child is owned by their spouse. Terri is Michaels property. As it should be. That's what traditional marriage is. He only has a new "wife" and kids because the Schindlers told him to.
It's in the best interest of the RNC if these parents are shown for what they are. Grifters. Selfish, greedy, media hounds. They've duped everybody, from the president on down. And the sooner they go away, the better.
The above is NOT my opinion. Far from it. But it is the opinion of several "conservative" posters on this board.
No, in actual fact, I'm interested in the truth.
If what I've posted is incorrect, then DEMONSTRATE that it's WRONG, rather than launching a childish and idiotic ad hominem attack on the messenger, as the fool in Tennessee has done.
It looks pretty clear-cut to me. Hammesfahr very prominently claims on his own web site (and also in radio interviews - PLURAL - that I've heard) that he was "nominated for the Nobel prize." Apparently he has been claiming this since 1999, although that's less demonstrable.
It vastly stretches the imagination to think that in what is most likely a period of 9 years, no one has ever called to his attention that a letter from a Congressman does NOT constitute a Nobel prize nomination.
Moreover, we KNOW that Hammesfahr KNOWS this is the case. A Florida newspaper wrote an article about this in 2003 (note:haven't verified), yet it still appears on his site. He was interviewed on the radio about this nearly a week ago (see http://www.johnandkenshow.com/audio.php), yet it still appears on his site. It seems to me that if he were interested in being truthful, he would immediately remove the information from his site. I personally would be so embarassed if I had unknowingly, for example, made a false claim that the claim would be down within one to two days, at most. I CERTAINLY wouldn't let it stay up for two years!
So the only reasonable conclusion I can see is that Hammesfahr is most likely a fraud.
If you're of another opinion, or have evidence to the contrary, then post it. Or you can instead choose to post your ignorance and demonstrate what a fool you are, as my other friend has done.
I agree. I'd also say that if a person has left clear evidence (written, anything less s/b unacceptable when it come to life and death) that they want to be removed from all life sustaining measures including food and water, even though we may not agree with their decision, we have to honor their wishes.
But the Schiavo case does not meet that criteria and in fact, I think we must look to the person who has been appointed her guardian and see if he may not have her best interests at heart. There is also evidence that she can indeed swallow nourishment on her own and so she may not need to be fed through a tube.
I am mindful of a very slippery slope. The situation in the Netherlands is frightening.
You may want to read the recent column by Wesley Smith in the National Review. It's a pretty straightforward interview with a bioethicist who espouses 'personhood' as depending on the level of awareness. He straight out states that Terri Schiavo is not a person. He is unfortunately, representative of a great deal of people, medical and otherwise.
My common sense tells me that we do not starve and dehydrate human beings in order to cause their death (and call it good, to boot!).
I know.
I agree.
In reality, what normally happens is that the "mercy killings" happen quietly, without consulting the courts, with the full cooperation of the doctors. I know.
THIS IS ABOUT TERRI - not what you experienced in your 'clergy' role! Why do people feel the need to much their situations. This is above and beyond the norm - if you don't have enought info on this case - please search it out. That's what MS wanted (quietly-when is the bitch going to die).
1. I didn't claim that Terri is in PVS.
2. The previous post suggested giving water to Terri via mouth. I simply point out that death from starvation alone is a much longer process than death by dehydration.
3. I have no clue about your son. As his legal guardian (my mother has the same legal standing for 2 profoundly handicapped men) you probably do have the right to determine his care. A feeding tube is certainly medical care. Courts have determined that withholding medical care from a child / ward is not abuse.
I wish you and your son well.
Typo. 6 years, obviously. Late. Tired.
I just looked at Hammesfahr's credentials. He graduated from very creditable universities--VA Medical and Northwestern, did a fellowship in his specialty and is Board Certified. He was also one of two drs. who set up a program in FL to help the indigent get proper evaluation and involved 1000 volunteer drs. Also very active in Viet vets orgn (medically and Police Orgn.
So his Nobel nomination was by Congressman Billybob and not properly done. The man is qualified and he took a full afternoon
to evaluate Terri.
Greer, on the other hand went to Fl. Staate and Univ FL Law. he practiced real estate law and made friends with the rich and powerful, served as County Commissioner, ran for judge on huge war chest. He has consistently ignored FL law in judging the Schiavo case as when he acted as her guaridan ad litem and evaluated whether her interests were being served by Michael's claims she would not want to live which fell short of FL law requirements. (See FR archives--Geo. Greer bio)
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But the Schiavo case does not meet that criteria and in fact, I think we must look to the person who has been appointed her guardian and see if he may not have her best interests at heart. There is also evidence that she can indeed swallow nourishment on her own and so she may not need to be fed through a tube.
Yes.
It's a real shame that some of the high powered and brilliant, but expensive beyond most of our means lawyers, did not or were not asked to contribute to this case. The parents seem salt of the earth but not lawyer (or spokesperson) savvy. OTOH, Michael Schiavo was either savvy or fortunate that a high powered lawyer with an agenda picked up on his case. Methinks it was the latter and that there are a lot of behind the scenes people who need Terri Schiavo to further their cause.
his being convicted of misleading advertising of his stroke victim
YOU are very busy tonight. The doctor's no good, the doctor's no good.
Anyone ever say you are a bit transparent? How much have you dug up about MS???
"He's given confiliciting testimony about how he "found" her:..."
Thanks for these; I hadn't seen them yet. Too bad there will be those that will read and still not believe.
Significantly wrong. The court, as a state actor, ordered the feeding tube removed and no water or food to pass this citizens lips.
The miserable pri^k of a husband simply ordered that his wife have no rehab these past 14 years, no dental care, no outside stimuli like TV or flowers and he has not allowed the sun to shine on her face for the past 5 years.
Let's try to keep our facts in line, shall we?
We must fight with every tool at our disposal to restore respect and protection for the right to life.
Never give up. Never surrender.
Excellent post.
Even the possibility of this examination being correct - and we all know at this point, a great deal of it is correct, particularly the patient's parental interaction - nullified any death sentence and affirmed the necessity to provide her the therapy actively denied her by her husband (in name).
Judge Greer, a local judge and former county commissioner, in effect gave a capital sentence to a human. In all truth and perspective, he did not have the standing to do this - and should have acknowledged this in humility. Greer is cold, swollen with vanity, and a cynic. A judge should be skeptical - but not cynical. It has indeed been said that the greatest sin is - cynicism.
This is a bit like saying that if I issued you a knighthood, well, you're still a knight, it just wasn't quite properly done.
The fact is, ONLY royalty can give out knighthoods. Any knighthood I were to give you would be NO knighthood at all. The same if I were to issue you a PhD in astrophysics, or a license to practice brain surgery - regardless of whether you know something about the subject or not. I simply am NOT qualified to make you a knight, or a PhD, or to license you as a brain surgeon. I don't have the authority.
The man is qualified and he took a full afternoon to evaluate Terri.
I'd like to believe he's a great neurologist. But his demonstrably FALSE claim to being a Nobel-Prize Nominee makes me doubt anything he says - as it should.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Actually, I suspect he's probably at least a halfway-competent neurologist, else he wouldn't still be in business. But that's a FAR cry from being a Nobel Prize Nominee.
Greer, on the other hand went to Fl. Staate and Univ FL Law. he practiced real estate law and made friends with the rich and powerful, served as County Commissioner, ran for judge on huge war chest. He has consistently ignored FL law in judging the Schiavo case as when he acted as her guaridan ad litem and evaluated whether her interests were being served by Michael's claims she would not want to live which fell short of FL law requirements. (See FR archives--Geo. Greer bio)
Hey, you'll get no defense of Greer from me. None whatsoever.
Part of what we do on FR is to dig into evidence and look for truth.
THAT IS WHAT MOST DO! Now what are YOU doing?.
What evidence did you find out about MS treatment towards Terri - what about greer - what about felos - what about the other MS 10-minute doctors - I think we would all appreciate some help on that.
You are a MS fan!
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