City Man arrested outside Fla. hospice (College Prof Tasered after trying to bring Terri water)

Scranton Times-Tribune ^ | 3/30/2005 | Josh Brodesky

[Guenevere]

#25...No...it is not fun spending money for a plane trip.
No....it is not fun contemplating what might happen when you reach that destination.

And No, it is not fun getting arrested...

..and wondering if & when you will be bailed out...

..and what a prison cell experience will be...

..But this man, and many others, have reached deep inside themselves ....to their deepest convictions...

..and cannot walk away from their conscience.

Maybe you don't understand this....hopefully someday you will.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

5 minutes of fame.

[goldstategop]

I marvel at how afraid the enemy is. He has lies and the works of evil on his side. We have the truth and the presence of God among us. Justice will prevail.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[goldstategop]

Not fame. A righteous deed. I feel ashamed of my country but feel some of it wiped away by the godly deeds I am seeing before my own eyes.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[Joe 6-pack]

Regardless of how one categorizes or describes the US military action in Somalia, when all is said and done, it was essentially a "War on Starvation." We all have our personal opinions as to the use of the US military in such a role, and how deeply, if at all we support UN activities. Having said all that, it was only a little over a decade ago that the most powerful military in the world was sent halfway around the globe to bring relief to the starving. Some of America's most elite soldiers engaged in vicious combat to capture those who were interdicting the flow of food to the hungry. As you read this, a woman lay starved and dehydrated in a Florida hospice. There's no shortage of food supplies in the state. There's no hostile warlord ambushing convoys of humanitarian relief. There's no need to boil or purify water for consumption, hell there's probably an open tap yards from her bed...The world has gone mad.

Starvation Somali style. Note the apparent look of euphoria.

Mohammed Farah Aideed: employed starvation to achieve his political ends. Ironically, in early August 1996, Aideed was shot twice, one of the bullets passing through his stomach. Aideed lingered for several days, and although accounts of his death vary, it is believed he would have been unable to eat.

Mohammed Farah Greer: employed starvation to achieve his political ends. This fat prick looks about two cheeseburgers short of a coronary. He may want to consider skipping a meal or two, himself.

Two of the uniformed heroes of Somalia: De Oppresso Liber.

Two of the uniformed heroes of Clearwater...Regular or decaf?

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Restore Hope

[tessalu]

I would really like to answer this question.

" What do these people hope to accomplish by rushing the hospice? They can't seriously believe they'll get to Terri's bedside.
Is it that much fun to get arrested and pay a fine? It certainly isn't helping Terri."


Those people gathering at the hospice, go there to show the rest of us that they really care. I need that, maybe you do not, but I can not be there, and I really need to know that someone cares, and that all people do not support murder.
Without these caring people, I would feel alone. No, these people do not expect to get to Terri's bedside, and the water is symbolic of what Terri needs. Some nourishment with it would be good too.

[goldstategop]

Amen. Elijah is asked by God where to find him? He is not present in the elements of nature. Finally there is that small voice. When it rings inside us, we must act to do what God commands.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[ex 98C MI Dude]

That would be simple B&E. Burglary is the act of B&E with the intent of committing a felony. They would have to prove he was going to commit a felony, and trying to give water to a dying woman doesn't qualify.

No jury would convict, so this is a case of what passes for the law down in Pinellas County pi**ing in the wind. They will have much to answer for, and "I was only following orders" won't cut it.

[goldstategop]

Symbols matter. Water has a particular religious resonance. They may deny her humane compassion but they cannot deny that she is not alone. And that is what angers them most of all.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Oh really? Righteous, huh?

Then call God a liar all you want, but stay away from me, thanks.

Romans 13
¹ Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. ² Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. ³ For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, ⁴ for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. ⁵ Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ⁶ For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing

Ummm....those aren't my words, either.

[goldstategop]

We have all that before. An immoral and illegal order has no force or validity. It is to be defied at all costs.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[Schwaeky]

they should all do it collectively. individually acting, even a bunch of them, will only succeed in getting them arrested, but by acting en masse will force Jeb's hand, like the storming of the Bastille.

[goldstategop]

We are not to resist authorities who do God's will. When the authorities do that which is evil, we are under no obligation to render them our obedience. It is not unconditional. Paul has in mind authorities who execute judgment upon God's enemies. He did not mean we should be subject to authorities who violate the Law Of God and who persecute His Children.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[BookaT]

Hey I just had a thought. You can't give her water. Well, I was wondering if we could charge the bad guys in this action for murder. Stay with me as I try to explain.

While the order is to not give water or food, right. Well what about rain. I don't know what the ranifal is there. By keeping her unexposed to the elements they are killing her. They are preventing her from having the chance of getting God's help. Put her outside and see how fast it rains.

I mean if she could curvive on her own they would let her right? If for some reason she lived without water and food being provided by humans they wouldn't shoot her would they? Well, my arguement is by sheltering her via artificial means they are violating the courts wishes, right? Provide no artificial sustanence. The weather is not artificial. The humidity itself could help.

Point 2. IF she is in an airconditioned room they are killing her. Hear me out. I believe the first step in airconditioning is to dehumidify the air. If it is not a step of the process it is one effect. If they are killing her by providing her with shelter agianst God's Rain(Reign) and then aritficially dehidrating her via Air conditioning they need to stop now.

On top of this They should immediately rehydrate her until she can take food again(a reset the clock type thing) Move her outside into the weather. The medical facilty and ALL associated persons(Judge Greer and his buddies) should be charge with attempted murder.

This is the same thing as giving her the chair. Except horribly slower.

the bottom line is..

If she would be able to survive on her own they would have to let her, right? Well they need to give her the chance to survive OWN HER OWN. With out intervention. No A/C no roof to block the rain and natural humidity.

Look she would have given up long ago if she didn't want to live.

Any ideas on this?

[goldstategop]

I wish they had, my friend. The police would have been forced to shed blood to stop them.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[doc30]

Even in this fight for Terri, I am shocked at how insensitive you are to everyone else affected by this. It terrible that in the rush to save Terri, you don't care how many people get trampled and hurt. You selfishly don't care about anything but your cause. You don't care about the other people in the Hospice, you don't care about schools being shut down, and you don't care about the threats of violence us locals have faced. By making such a foolish reference to Nazi Germany, you have lost all credibility.

[freepatriot32]

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[Deguello]

"If a law hinders me from saving a human being"

Are you a MD? Could you surgically install a feeding tube? Could you perform a IV set-up for fluids? Know the safe rate of feed?

If you instead opt for a drink of water, you will drown her.

[goldstategop]

I know. All I see is a face of my country I will hate to my dying day. I have been taught to hate evil and love good. Throughout this affair, I have been guided by my values. It is not popularity that is at the heart of my thoughts but the old-fashioned notion of right and wrong.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[quack]

What do these people hope to accomplish by rushing the hospice? They can't seriously believe they'll get to Terri's bedside. Is it that much fun to get arrested and pay a fine? It certainly isn't helping Terri.

They do it because it's the Christian thing to do.Jesus didn't ask permission from Herod or any court,to heal the blind,make the lame to walk,raise someone from the dead,prevent a woman from being stoned to death.He acted on love for one another and asked us to do the same.