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To: Earl_of_Nottingham

I disagree, kook. If christians are to believe that heaven awaits you, then death is victory. That's what I've been taught growing up. Death part of this world. Jesus conquered death for all of us. So why do christians mourn for her if you truely believe she will be with her lord when she passes. THis question baffles me knowing how many christians are prostesting the inevitable. We will all die, slowly or suddenly. Man has made it possible to prolong death un-naturally. 15 years incased in a body to wither away slowly isn't my idea of life. If you believe heaven awaits you, why do you fear death?


5 posted on 03/28/2005 3:37:56 PM PST by confederate66
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To: confederate66

And one more thing. I've been on this forum a little while now and can say I'm amazed at the term "nazi" being thrown around like the liberals did to Bush during the election and after. Remember Godwins Law.................it's working around here lately.


6 posted on 03/28/2005 3:39:18 PM PST by confederate66
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To: confederate66

And one more thing. I've been on this forum a little while now and can say I'm amazed at the term "nazi" being thrown around like the liberals did to Bush during the election and after. Remember Godwins Law.................it's working around here lately.


7 posted on 03/28/2005 3:39:44 PM PST by confederate66
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To: confederate66
I disagree, kook.

Normally I would be happy to respond to your misunderstandings, however, in this case, since you are disposed to immediate ad hominem, I will be happy to let you proceed in ignorance.

9 posted on 03/28/2005 3:41:34 PM PST by Earl_of_Nottingham ("It is Augustine who gave us the Reformation."...B. B. Warfield)
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To: confederate66
I personally believe Terri will be in a much better place after death. Her death in and of itself doesn't bother me. It's the manner of death and the far-reaching implications it carries. As sad as I am for Terri and her family, I am even more sad that our government now condones "getting rid of" those individuals who are no longer considered useful or desirable. If that doesn't scare people, then I don't know what will. At first I just assumed they would find a way to put the feeding tube back in and I didn't think much about it. Now I clearly see no one will do anything to stop this. I know, the law, blah blah blah. A woman is slowly being starved to death for no other reason than her husband and one, lowly probate judge have decided she is no longer allowed to live.
10 posted on 03/28/2005 3:43:20 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: confederate66
Jesus' suffering was over about a 24-hour period and was atrocious beyond what we can imagine. He knew what he was being called to endure and laid his life down willingly.

Just because Christians believe in heaven doesn't mean that we have to murder them to get them there faster. He told one follower to "Keep the commandments".

Finally, Terri, may or may or not have said what she wanted. Even if she did, she was put through the same torture three different times and probably had no idea what kind of death men would choose for her. I doubt if she would have freely chosen to die by starvation unless she clearly understood beforehand she was called to be a martyr by that means. Victim souls are usually given a choice or understanding of why. Terri was never afforded any of that. It was appointed for her, but by man or God?

The best I can say is that for some inscrutable reason God has allowed this. I doubt he would have approved it.

13 posted on 03/28/2005 3:53:05 PM PST by Aliska
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To: confederate66

"15 years incased in a body to wither away slowly isn't my idea of life. If you believe heaven awaits you, why do you fear death?"


You're right. Kill all the severely disabled! Who wants to live like that?! Who wants to see them? Who wants to clean them? Besides, they're going to heaven, so let's speed things up and help them get there.


17 posted on 03/28/2005 4:05:49 PM PST by macamadamia
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To: confederate66
THis question baffles me knowing how many christians are prostesting the inevitable. We will all die, slowly or suddenly. Man has made it possible to prolong death un-naturally. 15 years incased in a body to wither away slowly isn't my idea of life. If you believe heaven awaits you, why do you fear death?

You're so right. In fact, why don't we start implementing some sort of "end of life" program (government financed and run, of course) where, say, on your 30th birthday you are lined up against a wall and shot? We're all just going to die anyway, and go on to a better place, so what's the diff?

Sound ridiculous? Welcome to your worldview.

18 posted on 03/28/2005 4:07:01 PM PST by workerbee
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To: confederate66
Hey ignoramus - Christians fight for life. How many times did Jesus heal the sick? Many times! He didn't tell the diseased to go ahead and die so they could go to a better place. Yes we all die, but we fight the good fight as long as we're capable.
19 posted on 03/28/2005 4:15:52 PM PST by Jeremiahs Call
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To: confederate66
I disagree, kook. If christians are to believe that heaven awaits you, then death is victory. That's what I've been taught growing up. Death part of this world. Jesus conquered death for all of us. So why do christians mourn for her if you truely believe she will be with her lord when she passes. THis question baffles me knowing how many christians are prostesting the inevitable. We will all die, slowly or suddenly. Man has made it possible to prolong death un-naturally. 15 years incased in a body to wither away slowly isn't my idea of life. If you believe heaven awaits you, why do you fear death?

You lost me at "kook".

By the way, your "death is victory" concept is a bit more stylish if you are looking for the 72 virgins.

I'm not sure who taught you "growing up" but it appears from your post they have not finished teaching you yet. Maybe when they have and you have indeed decome a thinking adult you might come back and make some sense. In the meantime you might consider your excellent qualifications to be a judge in Florida.

I don't recall Christ telling us to murder others so they can get to heaven faster. Anyone else here heard of that one? Hello? Anyone?

Oh, if your idea makes so much sense why have you not offed yourself or hired someone else to?

20 posted on 03/28/2005 4:23:22 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Here come da king, er, judge!)
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To: confederate66
"I disagree, kook. If christians are to believe that heaven awaits you, then death is victory. That's what I've been taught growing up. Death part of this world. Jesus conquered death for all of us. So why do christians mourn for her if you truely believe she will be with her lord when she passes. THis question baffles me knowing how many christians are prostesting the inevitable. We will all die, slowly or suddenly. Man has made it possible to prolong death un-naturally. 15 years incased in a body to wither away slowly isn't my idea of life. If you believe heaven awaits you, why do you fear death?"

We don't fear death. We expect and want God to take us when it pleases Him to do so and not when it pleases some murderer to do so. Hope I cleared that up for you.

21 posted on 03/28/2005 4:42:03 PM PST by Irene Adler
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