Posted on 03/28/2005 6:43:57 AM PST by NYer
Terri Schiavo's husband is set to inflict what her grieving relatives charge is the final insult: insisting that her body be cremated against their religious wishes — and then buried in his own family's plot.
"They would like to have her body so they can have a Christian Mass and a Christian burial," said Brother Paul O'Donnell, the spiritual adviser to the deeply Roman Catholic family.
"They want their daughter. If they can't have her in life, they would hope he'd have compassion and give her in death."
But Michael Schiavo refused to budge on the extremely emotional issue as his tragic wife lay dying nine days after the courts sided with him and ordered her feeding tube removed.
His lawyer, George Felos, cited one court order earlier this month that granted him the right to cremate her, despite her anguished parents' and siblings' wishes.
"That's what the court has ordered," Felos said. "This was challenged prior to the removal of the feeding tube, and it will happen because that's what the court has ordered."
As with the feeding-tube removal, Mary and Bob Schindler had fought against their son-in-law in his bid to cremate their daughter's body once she dies.
They said they want to bury her in Florida instead of having her cremated and interred in the Schiavo family plot in Pennsylvania.
While O'Donnell appeared to keep his words measured over the simmering dispute, another family spokesman, Randall Terry, was more direct about his feelings for Michael Schiavo.
"He's a despicable swine for doing that," Terry said of Schiavo's cremation plans.
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You seem to be operating under the incorrect assumption that the quality of the character of the husband or the womans attitude towards him is somehow relevant in this matter.
It isn't.
The Centonze roundheel's first name is Jodie.
No, he's Southern Baptist and a Republican, according to all the news reports I've seen. His church recently asked him to resign, perhaps due to all the publicity.
Cheers.
Based on a true story -- a doctor in 1969 Brooklyn finds a way to reach patients that seem virtually catatonic.
I believe you are referring to Judge Greer. His Baptist minister uninvited him to his church.
Their readers can find it elsewhere. I applaud the tabloids that haven't touched this story, they made a smart decision.
"That's what the court has ordered," Felos said. "This was challenged prior to the removal of the feeding tube, and it will happen because that's what the court has ordered."
Actually, if the swine were smart he'd have a doctor waiting in the wings to perform an autopsy as the greatest cover-up yet, and silence any questions or doubts about the abuse Terri endured.
I think Felos is nominally Greek Orthodox. But he is really a Scientologist at "heart." Greer is "R" and formerly Baptist.
If he is Greek Orthodox he is not practicing it -- or at least he is "separating" his professional life from his spiritual life, which is as good as not believing.
How many nominally Catholic women practice birth control or engage in premarital or extramartial sex? George Felios is not a reason for the Orthodox Church to make a statement. The position of the Church on euthanasia and, in fact, any kind of killing is well known -- complete opposition to killing, period.
Our society has proven to be a barbaric secular caricature of Christan values. We could have at least been merciful enough to end her life quickly and painlessly. There are tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people world wide being tortured and killed daily. Sometimes I really appreciate Calvinist views of our depravity.
Well I am not exactly the go to guy in this. I don't consider allowing the body of people who are in a PVS to expire to be the wrong thing to do. I consider the soul to have departed if the thinking part of the mind is totally dead as is the case of people in a PVS.
The Church does not teach that the soul leaves simply because somone is obtunded and/or unable to move. The Church believs that the soul does not depart as long as the person is breathing. She is breathing on her own. That means the brain is not dead. Some will call it "vegetative." So what? The whole issue is that she is being killed for convenience. Others were willing to pay for her life and to assume care for her. The state decided to murder this innocent woman so her husband can be "free." Think about.
Yes, there are, but there is nothing to link MS to any possible injuries suffered by Terri. That's why the police didn't arrest MS.
B) The church is basing this assumption on the soul departing when "breathing" or "heartbeat" stops but that Christian calculation was based on a time when medical science was primitive and people thought the brain was in the heart and as they got some more knowledge people assumed the soul was stored in the heart. After all to pre-modern science era peoples - the heart seemed like a reflection of the soul - you lied or fell in love or felt guilt or remorse or happiness - it was felt with the heart and the heartbeat. The brain did not seem to do anything to our ancestors.
Brain damage like poor Terri suffered makes her seem superficially alive because her extremities sort of function but that is because they are part of a more hardy and primitive neural system.
There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven: a time to be born and a time to die
Ecclesiastes 3:3
You are indeed right, I was thinking of Greer, not Felos. I stand (or more accurately, sit) corrected. Thanks.
Agreed! We have common-law marriage, why not common-law divorce?
<< I don't see how you people can support Michael Schiavo's 'rights' to make decisions over Terri when he clearly has broken marriage vows and has a FIANCE and TWO CHILDREN!! That is a valid 'marriage' for him to be allowed all these rights over her mother, father and siblings?? Law needs to be changed. >>
What is barbaric, Destro, is that this woman is being murdered -- slowly -- out of convenience and Pharisaical legalisms, although there are (a) ways to put her to death quickly and, more importantly, (b) people willing to continue to feed her at their cost. So, why is it so important to the husband and the state to kill her?
Humanity is not a phase that we enter and exist. At which point do we "become" human Destro? At which point do we "cease" to be human? Where is the dignity? Is it a dignified way to die to let your family watch you slowly waste away? Like I said, we have more humane ways for our pets.
This is a federal republic - luckily the Church has no say in this matter but the peoples laws do.
My position is not only rooted in science but in history and dare I say Orthodoxy as well. How? the Orthodox concept of economia. Make no mistake - people in a PVS are kept alive artificially - a feeding tube is an artificial device - on patients who will not get better. It is merciful to remove people from conditions science has caused thus preventing the natural course of God's will.
Make no mistake - people in a PVS are kept alive artificially - a feeding tube is an artificial device - on patients who will not get better
What a sweeping generalization! Are infants fed by bottles not kept alive artificially? Isn't all of medicine artificial? Why don't you refuse medical care next time Destro for yourself and your loved one because it is artificial?
It is merciful to remove people from conditions science has caused thus preventing the natural course of God's will
If we decided to play God, is it merciful to do it quickly or slowly Destro?
If you feed them. Hopless patients get better too. Your answer still doesn't address the issue why give anyone medicine who is "too old" and will never get younger and healthier. Nor does your answer address the issue of starving a body for two weeks versus allowing it die quickly and painlessly if the powers to be decide to commit muder in the name of law and convenience.
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