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Citizenship row divides Latvia
BBC News ^ | 25 March, 2005 | Angus Roxburgh

Posted on 03/27/2005 10:41:36 PM PST by jb6

In a park in the Latvian capital Riga, a small group of protesters gathers, all Russian, some wearing paper hats inscribed with the word "Alien". Latvian police carry out a small, bureaucratic piece of harassment. With a tape, and much officiousness, they measure the distance between the demonstrators and the nearest public building, a school on the other side of the road.

The protest is two metres too close, so the police move it a little further down the path.

The protesters don't mind. They are there to object to a much greater injustice.

More than 450,000 Russians and native Russian-speakers - out of a total Latvian population of 2.3m - are classed as "non-citizens" because they have failed (or refused) to take a test in Latvian language and history, which would allow them to have citizenship.

This was local election day, and they were protesting about the fact that as "aliens", despite having lived in Latvia all their lives, they had no right to take part in the elections - whereas citizens of other EU countries could vote if they had lived there for a mere six months.

"I was born here," said one young man. "I pay the same taxes as Latvians. Yet I'm not allowed to vote for the politicians who spend those taxes."

"I'm here to protest against the government's policy of dividing society along ethnic lines," said another.

The fate of the non-citizens - who account for 20% of the entire population of Latvia - is a complex one.

Soviet migrants

When Latvia gained independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, it granted automatic citizenship to those who had lived in the first independent Latvian state - between 1918 and 1940 - but not to those who immigrated here after the war, when Latvia was occupied by the Soviet Union.

Latvia suffered hugely under Soviet rule.

Thousands were arrested and sent to Siberian labour camps, or executed, during the Stalin years.

MEP Tatjana Zdanoka uses her position to highlight the issue Later, hundreds of thousands of Russians, Belarussians and Ukrainians flooded into the republic under a deliberate policy of Russification. The Latvian language was squeezed out of official use.

Latvians were resentful citizens of the USSR. By 1991, they comprised only half of the population of their own country, while in Riga only a third were Latvian.

Even today, Russian is heard as commonly as Latvian on the streets of Riga.

But the government is determined to revive the Latvian identity. It says its policy towards Russians who immigrated here during the Soviet period is aimed not at punishing them for the sins of the Soviet regime (as some suspect) but at ensuring that they learn Latvian and integrate fully into society.

In order to naturalise, Russians must take a test in Latvian, and pass an exam about Latvian history - in which they must "correctly" answer that the country was occupied and colonised, not liberated, by the Soviet Union in 1945.

Many of the Russians at the demonstration on election day said they found that psychologically difficult. They said they wanted to integrate (and many could speak Latvian), but they found the idea of applying for citizenship humiliating.

"I lived here - same as them - and I was a citizen of the USSR," said a middle-aged woman. "They deprived me of my citizenship, and now I must apply to become one! I just won't do it."

Separate, but together

Tatjana Zdanoka is Latvia's only Russian member of the European Parliament and uses her position to publicise the position of the Russian minority.

She says her mother, who has lived in Latvia for 60 years and worked here for 45 years as a schoolteacher, has no right to vote.

"She is 83 and has bad eyes. Of course she's not capable of taking any kind of exam."

Facts about Latvia Latvia was independent from 1918 to 1939 After World War II it was a part of the USSR It regained independence in 1991 700,000 Soviet-time migrants and their children became non-citizens By the time Latvia joined the EU in 2004, this figure had dropped to around 450,000 Latvia's total population is 2,3m (including non-citizens)

Igor Vatolin, a journalist on the newspaper Chas and a Russian rights activist, said the Latvian Popular Front, which led the fight for independence at the end of the 1980s, promised citizenship to everyone living in the republic.

"But they reneged on that - even though thousands of Russians voted with them in favour of independence in the referendum of 1991," he said.

There is no ethnic strife in the streets of Latvia. The two peoples live peacefully together. But politicians on both sides, and in Russia itself, stir things up.

Moscow rarely misses a chance to complain at international meetings of Latvia's "human rights abuses", while the head of the Latvian parliament's foreign affairs committee, Aleksandrs Kirsteins, has described the non-citizens as "civilian occupiers".

He called for an agreement with the Russian government under which all the unwanted foreigners would be herded on to trains and shipped back to their "ethnic homeland" - with a brass band playing on the platform to see them off.

Latvia's two communities deserve credit for by and large ignoring such provocative statements. Despite the bitterness and insecurity on both sides, they have succeeded in forging a peaceful co-existence - somewhat separate, but together.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: aliens; bigotry; latvia; racism; russia; sameoldsameold
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To: Tailgunner Joe
That's because Chechins aren't human, they're untermenschen, don't you know? Just listen to the racebaiting hatemonger jb6, he will tell you.

234 posted on 03/29/2005 12:24:18 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 231 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

Still waiting for you to prove this lie. This is one of your classics, almost as good as the one about not believing in a free press. Classics.

301 posted on 03/29/2005 1:47:04 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6
When you show my quotes for all the things you have falsely accused me of, supporting Chechnya, Red China, Islam, etc.

Btw, I am still waiting for my own TTS style "chart." Did you forget about me?

302 posted on 03/29/2005 1:48:25 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: RussianBoor

Really ? Felix always used to be a citizen of Russia/Soviet Russia/Soviet Union. He still has many monuments in your fatherland.


303 posted on 03/29/2005 1:52:56 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I started putting one togather but then decided you were more an irritant and the effort wasn't worth it. The best part about you, as opposed to TTS, is you tend to self destruct a lot more.


304 posted on 03/29/2005 2:09:35 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6

Yeah, I knew you'd back down.


305 posted on 03/29/2005 2:11:54 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

From what? You? Hardly. You're to fun to poke holes in. Rather entertaining, especially when you crack and your inner hatred comes flowing out. I could write a psychology white paper on you.


306 posted on 03/29/2005 2:24:37 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

TTS spills BS and then splits, rarely sticking around, that's why a table is needed, you stick around and become swiss cheese.


307 posted on 03/29/2005 2:25:31 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6

You can't prove any of your lies about me and you are backing down, just like you always do. punk.


308 posted on 03/29/2005 2:29:47 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Grzegorz 246; RussianBoor

Don't forget the fine city of Dzerzhinsk on the Oka River named after "Iron Feliks". This is another city - along with Kaliningrad - that should be renamed at once.


309 posted on 03/29/2005 5:17:35 PM PST by free_european
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To: Modernman
The Russian peasants and factory-workers forcefully relocated at gunpoint?

Actually there are many Russians in Latvia and especially in Estonia who lived there for centuries. Estonia was part of Russia since the beginning since Estonians were one of the four founding tribes of Russia (with the fifth being the Rus - Swedish Vikings who gave the name to the country).

Soviet did not paid much respect to the real ethnic borders and for example they GAVE Polish Wilno (Vilnius) to the Lituanians. Lituanians in a very nasty way are pushing and suppressing Poles so they became a minority in the land they inhabited for centuries.

Latvians were very eager supporters of the Bolsheviks and helped them to established genocidal tyranny over the whole Russia. Now they claim the victim status.

310 posted on 03/29/2005 6:15:58 PM PST by A. Pole (Graham Greene: "Innocence is like a dumb leper who has lost his bell, wandering the world ...")
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To: Grzegorz 246
BTW I wouldn't mind If Poles in Lithuania or Ukraine had to pass this kind of test.

Poles in Lituania are being gradually supressed.

311 posted on 03/29/2005 6:26:02 PM PST by A. Pole (Graham Greene: "Innocence is like a dumb leper who has lost his bell, wandering the world ...")
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To: jb6

You're the one who doesn't know your Cajun history. Yes, they were kicked out of Acadie, today's Nova Scotia - many went back to France, found it undesireable, and then settled in Louisiana, which was then under the protection of the Spanish crown. It was a conscious choice to go there.

Ivan


312 posted on 03/29/2005 10:27:53 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: RussianBoor
If you said that German was spoken in Silesian towns starting 13th century I would agree. Actually the same could be said about Flemish. Towns were set upon so called "German law" by both Polish and German settlers (Zlotoryja, Lwowek were examples of German settlements). But I repeat: SILESIA WAS NOT MOSTLY GERMAN SINCE 13 TH CENTURY. It is a silly lie, believe me. Short recap from Silesia's history:

1000 - Christian episcopate in Wroclaw is constituted by Boleslaw Chrobry

1138 - Polish king Boleslaw Krzywousty divides his land into smaller prinipalities, Silesia goes to his son Wladyslaw.

1348 - Polish king Kasimir the Great gives Silesia to Czech Jagiellon - Jan of Luxemburg after peace treaty of Namyslow (Czech Bohemia was an autononymous part of Roman Empire of course).

1526 - Austrian Habsburgs start to rule Silesia.

Silesia became Prussian in 1741 after the battle of Malujowice lost by Austrian Habsburgs to Prussian Hohenzellerns.

It only became German in 1871 after German Empire consituted as a separate country. :)
313 posted on 03/30/2005 12:33:48 AM PST by twinself
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To: twinself
It only became German in 1871 after German Empire consituted as a separate country. :)

Yeah, but it is only in the very artificial legal sense in which Germany did not exist until she was united by Prussia in XIX (while Austria lost the same attempt).

Same way, Greek nation came into existance in XIX c. The fact is that Silesia was part of Poland in middle ages for a short time and that Slavic Silesians became Germanized by the spontaneous cultural process. And before they were as Polish as they were Czech.

314 posted on 03/30/2005 4:04:39 AM PST by A. Pole (Graham Greene: "Innocence is like a dumb leper who has lost his bell, wandering the world ...")
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To: A. Pole

Nationality and states are obviously different matters. As we all know Germany and Italy didn't exist as states before mid XIX century but of course German and Italian nations (as a cultural commonwealths, NOT in the sense of "modern" nationalism linked to the concept of blood bonds) existed hundreds of years before that happened. Having said that by no means Silesia can be considered German since the XIII century in any other sense than lingustic, because many of its inhabitants (Austrians, Poles, Czechs, Dutch, Scots) used it as their first language.


315 posted on 03/30/2005 4:52:07 AM PST by twinself
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To: twinself
Nationality and states are obviously different matters.

Oh, really? Somebody just recently refused to have anything to do with Felix Dzerzhinsky because of his different citizenship. How about his blood bonds?

I am intrigued more and more by the interesting kind of world view shown by you and your Polish pack. The last time I heard about blood bonds in the context of "modern" nationalism were Nurnberg laws. That motion was soundly defeated at a very heavy price. So I am sorry but blood bonds are a basis of nation building maybe in Poland only, and I would be very surprised to know that given large territories belonging to Poland now that used to be ethnic Russian (inhabited by old Rus' people who were predecessors of modern Russians, Ukrainian and Belorussians), Lithuanian and German.

It may come as a surprise to you but almost any country in the world can be considered as such in no other sense than linguistic. People (except some very special cases) usually do not do racial profiling when they marry and have kids. Furthermore, in Middle Ages there was no concept of nationhood at all. There were feudal laws that made it perfectly normal for instance for Poland to be ruled by a member of the French dynasty (and for Latvia to be ruled by Romanovs, by the way :)). Especially ridiculous are blood bonds in defining nations such as the U.S.A. :))

To sum it up: Silesia was NOT Polish by feudal law because it was not under jurisdiction of a Polish principal. Silesia was NOT Polish by culture because the majority of its population did not speak Polish and lived by German laws. Silesia was NOT Polish even ethnically because Poles were not the majority of population. Silesia was NOT Polish because it was not recognized as such. You may see the map of the region in 1400 here. Note by the way large Prussian (i.e. German) and Lithuanian territories that are now occupied by Poland.

I quite admire the trick Poland has managed to take over Lithuania with all its territories and peoples (definitely NOT of Polish origin). However, obviously this is not enough for people like you. When talking of Silesia you consider it Polish because of blood bonds. When talking about Western Prussia (originally inhabited by the Prussian people) you probably cite the feudal right of conquest. You ownership of Western Ukraine and Belorussia is of course perfectly legal because of the Union of Krewo, and you are very sorry that you were forced out of Vilnius and as far East as Smolensk. I am very sorry but even Poland cannot have it both ways.
316 posted on 03/30/2005 7:05:10 AM PST by RussianBoor
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To: A. Pole

They may quite easily get Polish citizenship If they don't like Lithuanian.


317 posted on 03/30/2005 9:00:09 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
They may quite easily get Polish citizenship If they don't like Lithuanian.

What about the Kurds in Turkey?

318 posted on 03/30/2005 9:10:11 AM PST by A. Pole (Graham Greene: "Innocence is like a dumb leper who has lost his bell, wandering the world ...")
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To: A. Pole
Kurds should go to Vova. Vova P. will give them a state.
319 posted on 03/30/2005 9:30:04 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
Kurds should go to Vova. Vova P. will give them a state.

I see. You do not side with Kurds, you do not side even with the Poles. You are just against Russia even if it is not in Polish interest. Strange.

320 posted on 03/30/2005 9:34:58 AM PST by A. Pole (Graham Greene: "Innocence is like a dumb leper who has lost his bell, wandering the world ...")
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