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Citizenship row divides Latvia
BBC News ^ | 25 March, 2005 | Angus Roxburgh

Posted on 03/27/2005 10:41:36 PM PST by jb6

In a park in the Latvian capital Riga, a small group of protesters gathers, all Russian, some wearing paper hats inscribed with the word "Alien". Latvian police carry out a small, bureaucratic piece of harassment. With a tape, and much officiousness, they measure the distance between the demonstrators and the nearest public building, a school on the other side of the road.

The protest is two metres too close, so the police move it a little further down the path.

The protesters don't mind. They are there to object to a much greater injustice.

More than 450,000 Russians and native Russian-speakers - out of a total Latvian population of 2.3m - are classed as "non-citizens" because they have failed (or refused) to take a test in Latvian language and history, which would allow them to have citizenship.

This was local election day, and they were protesting about the fact that as "aliens", despite having lived in Latvia all their lives, they had no right to take part in the elections - whereas citizens of other EU countries could vote if they had lived there for a mere six months.

"I was born here," said one young man. "I pay the same taxes as Latvians. Yet I'm not allowed to vote for the politicians who spend those taxes."

"I'm here to protest against the government's policy of dividing society along ethnic lines," said another.

The fate of the non-citizens - who account for 20% of the entire population of Latvia - is a complex one.

Soviet migrants

When Latvia gained independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, it granted automatic citizenship to those who had lived in the first independent Latvian state - between 1918 and 1940 - but not to those who immigrated here after the war, when Latvia was occupied by the Soviet Union.

Latvia suffered hugely under Soviet rule.

Thousands were arrested and sent to Siberian labour camps, or executed, during the Stalin years.

MEP Tatjana Zdanoka uses her position to highlight the issue Later, hundreds of thousands of Russians, Belarussians and Ukrainians flooded into the republic under a deliberate policy of Russification. The Latvian language was squeezed out of official use.

Latvians were resentful citizens of the USSR. By 1991, they comprised only half of the population of their own country, while in Riga only a third were Latvian.

Even today, Russian is heard as commonly as Latvian on the streets of Riga.

But the government is determined to revive the Latvian identity. It says its policy towards Russians who immigrated here during the Soviet period is aimed not at punishing them for the sins of the Soviet regime (as some suspect) but at ensuring that they learn Latvian and integrate fully into society.

In order to naturalise, Russians must take a test in Latvian, and pass an exam about Latvian history - in which they must "correctly" answer that the country was occupied and colonised, not liberated, by the Soviet Union in 1945.

Many of the Russians at the demonstration on election day said they found that psychologically difficult. They said they wanted to integrate (and many could speak Latvian), but they found the idea of applying for citizenship humiliating.

"I lived here - same as them - and I was a citizen of the USSR," said a middle-aged woman. "They deprived me of my citizenship, and now I must apply to become one! I just won't do it."

Separate, but together

Tatjana Zdanoka is Latvia's only Russian member of the European Parliament and uses her position to publicise the position of the Russian minority.

She says her mother, who has lived in Latvia for 60 years and worked here for 45 years as a schoolteacher, has no right to vote.

"She is 83 and has bad eyes. Of course she's not capable of taking any kind of exam."

Facts about Latvia Latvia was independent from 1918 to 1939 After World War II it was a part of the USSR It regained independence in 1991 700,000 Soviet-time migrants and their children became non-citizens By the time Latvia joined the EU in 2004, this figure had dropped to around 450,000 Latvia's total population is 2,3m (including non-citizens)

Igor Vatolin, a journalist on the newspaper Chas and a Russian rights activist, said the Latvian Popular Front, which led the fight for independence at the end of the 1980s, promised citizenship to everyone living in the republic.

"But they reneged on that - even though thousands of Russians voted with them in favour of independence in the referendum of 1991," he said.

There is no ethnic strife in the streets of Latvia. The two peoples live peacefully together. But politicians on both sides, and in Russia itself, stir things up.

Moscow rarely misses a chance to complain at international meetings of Latvia's "human rights abuses", while the head of the Latvian parliament's foreign affairs committee, Aleksandrs Kirsteins, has described the non-citizens as "civilian occupiers".

He called for an agreement with the Russian government under which all the unwanted foreigners would be herded on to trains and shipped back to their "ethnic homeland" - with a brass band playing on the platform to see them off.

Latvia's two communities deserve credit for by and large ignoring such provocative statements. Despite the bitterness and insecurity on both sides, they have succeeded in forging a peaceful co-existence - somewhat separate, but together.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: aliens; bigotry; latvia; racism; russia; sameoldsameold
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To: Tailgunner Joe
After all, black Zimbabweans are completely innocent of Mugabe's crimes right? They shouldn't now have to give up the land he stole back to its rightful owners just because of Mugabe's policies, right?

If the Russians in Latvia own any land, such ownership of the land was approved by the Latvian government. Upon Latvia's independence, I doubt anyone in the country actually owned any land, other than the state. So your point is moot.

221 posted on 03/29/2005 12:13:33 PM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: RussianBoor; Tailgunner Joe

TGJ there forgets about the Latvian Rifles and how they helped put Lenin in power and were his body guards. He equally forgets, conviniently, about the 15th Latvian SS Legion. How nice to have such a selective memory.


222 posted on 03/29/2005 12:13:44 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Modernman

You were the one who drew the comparison.


223 posted on 03/29/2005 12:14:58 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: jb6; Tailgunner Joe
I wonder what he thinks of all the Swedish culture that was imposed upon the Latvians for 300 years? Or the Lithuanian culture that was imposed upon them and upon the Belaruss/Russians/Ukrainians?

I doubt he has a problem with it. He is just opposed to undermensch such as the Russians imposing their "degraded" culture upon their racial betters.

224 posted on 03/29/2005 12:15:37 PM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: MadIvan
Go back to the threads from around September 11th. Read for a while. Think

It's called hysterics. Hysteria passes and reasoned, logical thought returns.

225 posted on 03/29/2005 12:16:47 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

No, I drew the comparison to point out that you must logically support Mugabe's efforts to drive out foreign invaders to preserve Zimbabwean "Borders, Culture and Language."


226 posted on 03/29/2005 12:17:10 PM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Modernman

What's the story of TGJ's name sake?


227 posted on 03/29/2005 12:17:30 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6
What's the story of TGJ's name sake?

It was the nickname for that drunken megalomaniac liar, Senator Joe McCarthy (who was right about the communist threat, in general, but was still a repulsive human being).

228 posted on 03/29/2005 12:18:51 PM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Modernman

I support Latvian sovereignty, and their freedom from the imperialism of any unwelcome alien culture.


229 posted on 03/29/2005 12:19:22 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: jb6
If they wish to sit in their enclave and speak French, like in Louisiana, that's their prerogative.

They have to accept American laws and speak passable English, for which they are tested in schools. The Russian refusal to take Latvian tests is telling.

Ivan

230 posted on 03/29/2005 12:19:25 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: jb6

Strange. I don't recall you calling Russian actions towards the Chechens, which is far worse than anything the Latvians propose, hysterics.

Ivan


231 posted on 03/29/2005 12:20:46 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Do you support Robert Mugabe?


232 posted on 03/29/2005 12:22:25 PM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Modernman

I am opposed to Mugabe's communism, but unlike you, I am for undoing what he did and returning what he stole to it's rightful owners. You on the other hand probably think that the land is rightfully theirs since you have already equated the white Africans with Soviet occupiers.


233 posted on 03/29/2005 12:22:32 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: MadIvan

That's because Chechins aren't human, they're untermenschen, don't you know? Just listen to the racebaiting hatemonger jb6, he will tell you.


234 posted on 03/29/2005 12:24:18 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: 1rudeboy
You seek to justify what the Soviets attempted to do because of what happened to American Indians?

NO!!! I think I have made my position clear enough. What Soviets did to Latvia and not only Latvia was evil and I DO NOT, never, intend to justify it. The question is how to deal with the consequences so that not to bring new evil. Nobody speaks here about any problems in neighboring Lithuania. They were clever enough to give citizenship to all people that happened to live in Lithuania in 1991. Have you ever heard about any major problems between Russia and Lithuania? And Latvia and Lithuania share the same history to a large extent.

Another question is that I absolutely disagree with the attempts to make Latvians victims of Russian aggression. Latvian and Russian peoples, as well as Ukrainians, Georgians, etc. etc. had been victims of communism. And Latvians did play a prominent role in bringing communists to power in the Russian empire, part of which they were. So were Poles, by the way. Have you ever thought about ethnicity of Felix Dzerzhinsky, the founder of KGB?
235 posted on 03/29/2005 12:25:37 PM PST by RussianBoor
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To: jb6
Should the Germans demand then that the Poles leave Selasia which was German as far back as 1600 years ago?

LOL Could you provide reliable historic sources to confirm that Silesia was German since IV century? Accidentaly I happen to live in Wroclaw - Lower Silesia so I may always learn something from a specialist and probably archeologist like you. It is always a pleasure. From what I know (but I might be wrong) Silesia became German not sooner than in 1871. Emperor Wilhelm I rings a bell to you? Most of the time is was under Czech rule.
236 posted on 03/29/2005 12:27:55 PM PST by twinself
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I am opposed to Mugabe's communism, but unlike you, I am for undoing what he did and returning what he stole to it's rightful owners. You on the other hand probably think that the land is rightfully theirs since you have already equated the white Africans with Soviet occupiers.

The white Africans are, in Mugabe's view and in the view of the people in power in Zimbabwe, aliens representing an unwelcome alien culture. If you support Latvia's sovereign right to treat certain of its citizens differently on ethnic grounds, then you must also support Zimbabwe's sovereign right to do so.

Or, is the situation somehow different in your mind?

237 posted on 03/29/2005 12:28:42 PM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
When the Mexicans and Indians have the power to take back Texas and California, then I'm sure they'll do as they please.

Which makes it right? Saddam did as he pleased. So did Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Mugabe, guess by your logic they were right.

238 posted on 03/29/2005 12:29:04 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6; Modernman; Tailgunner Joe

You are on very thin ice with this claim. There may be no NKVD parades but you see war criminals like the sub commander who mudered thousands of women and children on the Wilhelm Gustloff refugee ship lionised as heroes in today's Russia.

Also, Russian histories make no mention of the mass rape and murders commited in Ostpreussen by the Red Army. Treating WWII war criminals as heroes is quite as much a Russian trait as a Latvian; indeed more so.


239 posted on 03/29/2005 12:30:27 PM PST by free_european
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To: Modernman

Fortunately nor I neither Latvians don't need your advices how to build "a free society", boy.


240 posted on 03/29/2005 12:30:28 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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