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Citizenship row divides Latvia
BBC News ^ | 25 March, 2005 | Angus Roxburgh

Posted on 03/27/2005 10:41:36 PM PST by jb6

In a park in the Latvian capital Riga, a small group of protesters gathers, all Russian, some wearing paper hats inscribed with the word "Alien". Latvian police carry out a small, bureaucratic piece of harassment. With a tape, and much officiousness, they measure the distance between the demonstrators and the nearest public building, a school on the other side of the road.

The protest is two metres too close, so the police move it a little further down the path.

The protesters don't mind. They are there to object to a much greater injustice.

More than 450,000 Russians and native Russian-speakers - out of a total Latvian population of 2.3m - are classed as "non-citizens" because they have failed (or refused) to take a test in Latvian language and history, which would allow them to have citizenship.

This was local election day, and they were protesting about the fact that as "aliens", despite having lived in Latvia all their lives, they had no right to take part in the elections - whereas citizens of other EU countries could vote if they had lived there for a mere six months.

"I was born here," said one young man. "I pay the same taxes as Latvians. Yet I'm not allowed to vote for the politicians who spend those taxes."

"I'm here to protest against the government's policy of dividing society along ethnic lines," said another.

The fate of the non-citizens - who account for 20% of the entire population of Latvia - is a complex one.

Soviet migrants

When Latvia gained independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, it granted automatic citizenship to those who had lived in the first independent Latvian state - between 1918 and 1940 - but not to those who immigrated here after the war, when Latvia was occupied by the Soviet Union.

Latvia suffered hugely under Soviet rule.

Thousands were arrested and sent to Siberian labour camps, or executed, during the Stalin years.

MEP Tatjana Zdanoka uses her position to highlight the issue Later, hundreds of thousands of Russians, Belarussians and Ukrainians flooded into the republic under a deliberate policy of Russification. The Latvian language was squeezed out of official use.

Latvians were resentful citizens of the USSR. By 1991, they comprised only half of the population of their own country, while in Riga only a third were Latvian.

Even today, Russian is heard as commonly as Latvian on the streets of Riga.

But the government is determined to revive the Latvian identity. It says its policy towards Russians who immigrated here during the Soviet period is aimed not at punishing them for the sins of the Soviet regime (as some suspect) but at ensuring that they learn Latvian and integrate fully into society.

In order to naturalise, Russians must take a test in Latvian, and pass an exam about Latvian history - in which they must "correctly" answer that the country was occupied and colonised, not liberated, by the Soviet Union in 1945.

Many of the Russians at the demonstration on election day said they found that psychologically difficult. They said they wanted to integrate (and many could speak Latvian), but they found the idea of applying for citizenship humiliating.

"I lived here - same as them - and I was a citizen of the USSR," said a middle-aged woman. "They deprived me of my citizenship, and now I must apply to become one! I just won't do it."

Separate, but together

Tatjana Zdanoka is Latvia's only Russian member of the European Parliament and uses her position to publicise the position of the Russian minority.

She says her mother, who has lived in Latvia for 60 years and worked here for 45 years as a schoolteacher, has no right to vote.

"She is 83 and has bad eyes. Of course she's not capable of taking any kind of exam."

Facts about Latvia Latvia was independent from 1918 to 1939 After World War II it was a part of the USSR It regained independence in 1991 700,000 Soviet-time migrants and their children became non-citizens By the time Latvia joined the EU in 2004, this figure had dropped to around 450,000 Latvia's total population is 2,3m (including non-citizens)

Igor Vatolin, a journalist on the newspaper Chas and a Russian rights activist, said the Latvian Popular Front, which led the fight for independence at the end of the 1980s, promised citizenship to everyone living in the republic.

"But they reneged on that - even though thousands of Russians voted with them in favour of independence in the referendum of 1991," he said.

There is no ethnic strife in the streets of Latvia. The two peoples live peacefully together. But politicians on both sides, and in Russia itself, stir things up.

Moscow rarely misses a chance to complain at international meetings of Latvia's "human rights abuses", while the head of the Latvian parliament's foreign affairs committee, Aleksandrs Kirsteins, has described the non-citizens as "civilian occupiers".

He called for an agreement with the Russian government under which all the unwanted foreigners would be herded on to trains and shipped back to their "ethnic homeland" - with a brass band playing on the platform to see them off.

Latvia's two communities deserve credit for by and large ignoring such provocative statements. Despite the bitterness and insecurity on both sides, they have succeeded in forging a peaceful co-existence - somewhat separate, but together.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: aliens; bigotry; latvia; racism; russia; sameoldsameold
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To: MadIvan
Second, are you suggesting that it is acceptable that there are enclaves in America of people who refuse to learn the langauge and customs of the country?

Sure. So long as those people do not break any laws.

181 posted on 03/29/2005 11:04:33 AM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Modernman
Sure. So long as those people do not break any laws.

Go back to the threads from around September 11th. Read for a while. Think.

Ivan

182 posted on 03/29/2005 11:06:14 AM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: Modernman

You won't retract your libels against me so you deserve not the slightest courtesy, worm.


183 posted on 03/29/2005 11:07:18 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You won't retract your libels against me so you deserve not the slightest courtesy, worm.

Like I said, my statements about you are nothing but the truth, so they are not libel.

You, on the other hand, are nothing but a liar and a bigot. Do you share any other charming character traits with your namesake? Are you perhaps a drunk, too?

184 posted on 03/29/2005 11:10:29 AM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: MadIvan
Go back to the threads from around September 11th. Read for a while. Think

I lived through 9/11 in NYC, so I'm well aware of the strong emotions surrounding that day.

I still don't support discarding American ideals, however.

185 posted on 03/29/2005 11:11:36 AM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Modernman
No. You are a liar and have falsely accused me.

All the evidence to prove your racist hatred against Latvians is right here on this thread, comrade.

186 posted on 03/29/2005 11:13:24 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
All the evidence to prove your racist hatred against Latvians is right here on this thread, comrade.

I challenge you to provide one post, just one, where I have said anything bigoted about the Latvian people.

Liar.

187 posted on 03/29/2005 11:17:59 AM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Many Volksdeutsche (ethnic Germans) do indeed have citizenship of Eastern European countries for your information.

The comparison, in any case, is not a good one. Unlike Russians in Latvia, German communities in nEastern Europe - the so-called Donau Schwaben - grew up slowly over many many hundreds of years. Their immigration was piecemeal and encouraged by the native kings and princes for economic reasons (they were farmers and merchants)


188 posted on 03/29/2005 11:19:26 AM PST by free_european
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Prove your libels against me or retract them.

Coward.

189 posted on 03/29/2005 11:20:12 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Modernman

Prove your libels against me or retract them, coward.


190 posted on 03/29/2005 11:22:53 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I'll give one example, to start, of your bigotry towards the Russian people. You said, of the Latvians:

They now had the power to kick out the invaders who had been degrading and destroying their nation and culture.

Hitler on the mixing of races and cultures: "On this planet of ours human culture and civilization are indissolubly bound up with the presence of the Aryan. If he should be exterminated or subjugated, then the dark shroud of a new barbarian era would enfold the earth."

191 posted on 03/29/2005 11:30:50 AM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Modernman

It would be no different regardless of the race of the invader.


192 posted on 03/29/2005 11:32:46 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Modernman

Your posts on the other hand sho that you think that anyone who believe in language, borders and culture is the equivalent of a nazi. This explains your racist desire to ethnically cleanse and genetically eradicate the Latvian race.


193 posted on 03/29/2005 11:35:41 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It would be no different regardless of the race of the invader.

Of course. God forbid that pure Aryan blood be intermixed with that of the undermensch of the Slavic races.

Have you found any examples of my bigotry towards the Latvian people, or can I conclude that is one of your lies?

194 posted on 03/29/2005 11:36:06 AM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
before so-called occupation Latvia had been a part of Russian Empire for 200 years

Not anymore. Get used to it.


Why do you say this to me? I would prefer actually to get rid of a couple of more peoples within Russian borders. But after they got separated, free and independent, they cannot claim that they were innocent victims of some aliens invading them out of the blue. They were part of the same state and the same history and they must take their share of responsibility for the rise of communism in the Russian empire since they were part of this empire for 200 years. Latvians as well as Ukrainians, Georgians and other peoples of the former USSR are every bit as responsible for the communist atrocities as Russians. Get used to it.
195 posted on 03/29/2005 11:36:35 AM PST by RussianBoor
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Your posts on the other hand sho that you think that anyone who believe in language, borders and culture is the equivalent of a nazi.

Anyone who uses such terms as "degrade a culture" isn't automatically a Nazi, but is certainly at least an ideological cousin.

This explains your racist desire to ethnically cleanse and genetically eradicate the Latvian race.

Please provide one post where I have come out in favor of this.

Liar.

196 posted on 03/29/2005 11:38:11 AM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Modernman

It would be no different regardless of the invader, or the defender. No nation wishes to be invaded by aliens.


197 posted on 03/29/2005 11:39:39 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Modernman

If you don't think cultures can be degraded you're likely the one degrading them.


198 posted on 03/29/2005 11:42:39 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
If you don't think cultures can be degraded you're likely the one degrading them.

Cultures can certainly change over time. I also believe that some cultures are better than others. However, by this point, the culture of Latvia includes significant Russian influences and a sizeable minority of Latvians are of Russian stock. So, Latvian culture is theirs, too.

And you still haven't come up with any examples of me supporting genocide of the Latvians, have you?

199 posted on 03/29/2005 11:50:52 AM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It would be no different regardless of the invader, or the defender. No nation wishes to be invaded by aliens.

I doubt you would be worried so much about "Language. Border, Culture and Racial Purity" if the "invaders" in question were Aryans.

200 posted on 03/29/2005 11:52:12 AM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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