Posted on 03/27/2005 6:35:32 PM PST by FairOpinion
Getting it and not wanting to hear it are two very different things.
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What I didn't like here on FR was the villianization of Michael Schiavo, the encouragement of government intervention and the fanaticism of those who didn't even know the simplest of facts.
There is one more thing that keeps ringing through my head. Believe it or not it was something Alan Dershowitz said. He said, "You have eternity to be dead, you just have a short chance at life." If I'm being honest, and I always try to be honest, that line keeps ringing in my head.
A lot of families with severely handicapped have shown up at the gates in front of the hospice. Being in that situation with our own son, I appreciate the courage they have, but they are happily surprised that their little treasures are welcomed by most of the crowd.
A lot of families with severely handicapped have shown up at the gates in front of the hospice. Being in that situation with our own son, I appreciate the courage they have, but they are happily surprised that their little treasures are welcomed by most of the crowd.
Those who witness see that life and joy abounds in these, the least of us.
I heartily agree with you that Terri should have been at home and cared for by her family, on their dime.
As an eyewitness on the scene for a couple weeks now, I have seen the different sides and have seen the volumes of evidence that rarely clears the media here. To come to other conclusions is as ridiculous as looking out at night and trying to sell the idea the sun is out.
Villainization of Michael Shiavo is just too mild for us who are eyewitness to the evil he visits and continues with daily cruelties.
He is finishing the murder of a healthy human being who does not want to die and is hanging on by dear life as I write.
The evidence is there, abundant, valid, and conclusive if any other than the evil judge here would deign to look.
He will soon have the evidence immediately destroyed and removed from the crime scene. She is to be cremated immediately with not the slightest chance of autopsy which would confirm the documented evidence from official records.
I am doing a drive by because I have to get back to the hospice crime scene, but will respond later if you have a comment.
The simple facts are that the tin pot judge overrides the gov and the president at will and the only copy of the Constitution he has any use for is on a roll in his private toilet.
The "no government intervention" argument is completely bogus. The government intervenes all the time in what some would call "family matters". Things like child abuse, spousal abuse, murder (the killing of one family member by another), etc., and rightly so. Would you disallow those interventions on the same basis that you decry the intervention in the case of Terri Schindler?
Here we have a case of spousal abuse of the gravest kind. One spouse is advocating the death of another, and the evidence is conflicted, at best, as to the wishes of the individual being killed. In such cases, in the past, our culture has always erred on the side of caution, that is, actions are taken to assure that an individual is not harmed. Now, the default position is to assume that the individual being harmed would wish to be harmed. Call me old-fashioned, but somehow that doesn't seem right. Maybe it was the way my parents raised me, from the old school, who taught their children that being an insane masochist was not a healthy lifestyle.
You're pushing it. He's not murdering her.
Oh, right, it's a "mercy killing". I forgot.
True. The federal court opinions are useful to advance that agenda.
I have found it interesting how the pros and antis have fallen out on this one. I have heard a several Christians say "Go ahead and let her dehydrate" and several Atheists say "Hey, wait a minute.."
While the antis have been spun as some "right wing republican religious kooks" it just isn't so.
There are a number of very liberal people who are uneasy with the killing of a woman who was, to all intents and purpose's physically healthy. There are others who, like me, wonder where do we draw the line after this.
One of the questions that must be considered always is "if I am wrong will it cause harm?"
That is what I brought to this case, "If I am wrong and Terri does not know or feel anything am I doing harm by keeping her body alive?"
On the other hand, "If I am wrong and she is feeling everything am I doing harm by mummifying her alive?"
The answer to one is one I can live with. The other is not one that I could.
The disabled should be worried. This is what abortion on demand has brought us to. You can draw a direct line from one to the other and you can keep on going. The new catch phrase (said with a perfectly straight face), is 'quality of life'! Hello Felos, Nazi Germany, Mengele, etc..
Ooops, I was going to weigh in about what extremist ecologists think (having misread 'evo' for 'eco'). Well, it's still relevant. In their view, the human race is the root of earth's troubles and should be utterly wiped out.
Besides, CNN and the rest of the MSM are already moving on to Michael Jackson's woes. Terri's almost old news. In fact, they're talking about her as if she's already dead. The Pope might go back to the hospital, so the Papal death watch will crank up. Ratings will soar, life is good. (And you're right, it is all about money.)
We will not go softly into the night......
The people around him were usually the ones conjuring up new policies, which they ran by him when he was in a good mood, and if their policy fit in he would approve it and ask them not to bother him with details. Of course, his cronies knew what his ideology and his thinking was, and theirs was usually the same or similar, and they mainly did what they thought he would do.
There were several offices claiming to represent Hitler when he was Führer. The Reich Chancellery headed by Hans Heinrich Lammers, the Presidential Chancellery headed by Otto Meissner, the Party Chancellery headed by Martin Bormann, the Führer Chancellery headed by Philipp Bouhler. These offices competed with eachother for Hitler's favor and had significantly overlapping tasks. Hitler just sat back to watch the struggle between the offices.
Bouhler of the Führer Chancellery managed to get control of the Führers personal mail. And it was in 1938 or early 1939 that a letter was found in which a father asked Hitler for permission to have his severely disabled child killed. Hitler naturally approved as it was in line with his racial ideology. Hitler also commissioned the same Bouhler to set up a committee to investigate whether such 'mercy killings' could not be 'granted' to all others who were disabled.
Soon the process had begun. The T4 euthanasia programme killed up to 300,000 people until the programme was formally halted in the fall of 1941. Or in reality, it was postponed until after the war, then it was to resume.
In the meanwhile, events in december 1941 prompted Himmler to go and see Hitler, and in a mysterious meeting after the setback in front of Moscow and the declaration of war upon the USA, Hitler and Himmler talked for hours. What they said on that date, december 18 1941 is not entirely clear, but there is little doubt that the course of the war was discussed (privately, Hitler admitted at this stage to confidants that Germany could very well lose). Hitler had originally planned to 'get rid of the Jews' after the war, but as usual, events and ambitious underlings easily convinced him they might well start right away, or they would run the 'risk of losing and not having tackled the 'Jewish question''. Hitler fully approved of Himmlers plans and from january 1942 onwards the process of simply shooting people was replaced with new methods, amongst others gassing and starvation.
We all know what happened next and what price was paid to stop it. The end of the war put paid to Hitlers plans of finishing off all Jews and other 'racial inferiors', and resuming both the euthanasia programme and the attempts to destroy the church, which was to be replaced with a National Socialist faith.
In Europe however, the process has started again (the euthanasia part of it) and some liberals wish to do the same in the USA. When good people do nothing, they might ver well succeed to follow Europe into the depths of the same deprivations.
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