Posted on 03/27/2005 11:39:47 AM PST by El_Doctor
Rick Barnard of Morris, Illinois, wass arrested Sunday after trying to bring Terri Schiavo Easter communion. per cnn... ALLAHASSEE, Florida (CNN) -- Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said on Sunday there is nothing else he can do to save Terri Schiavo's life. "I cannot violate a court order," Bush said after returning to the Governor's Mansion from Easter Sunday church services. "I don't have powers from the United States Constitution or -- for that matter from the Florida Constitution -- that would allow me to intervene after a decision has been made." To Terri Schiavo's parents -- who have said Bush should do more to help their daughter -- the governor said: "I can't. I'd love to, but I can't." The governor has been under public pressure from Bob and Mary Schindler, parents of the 41-year-old brain-damaged woman, and many religious groups to intervene further in the case. On Thursday, a Florida state judge denied a petition by Gov. Bush and the state Department of Children and Families to take Schiavo into state custody. (Full story) The Florida Supreme Court dismissed on Saturday -- for the second time in a week -- an emergency petition by the Schindlers to have their daughter's feeding tube reconnected. "I'm sad that she's in the situation that she's in," Bush said, commenting publicly on the case for the first time since Thursday. "I feel bad for her family. My heart goes out to the Schindlers and, for that matter, to [her husband] Michael [Schiavo]," Bush said. "This has not been an easy thing for any, any member of the family. But most particularly for Terri Schiavo."
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That very sentence shows just how deeply the denial goes when it comes to this woman. It's like saying, "There is nothing wrong with him Mrs. Lincoln, except for those bullet holes in his skull." If I believed for a moment there was a chance that there was anything left of Terri in that husk, I'd side with her supporters in a moment, but it's clear that her skull is full of CSF and not grey matter.
Well Abraham did not die over two weeks by starvation!
And, if the courts twist those laws into silly putty (like they have) he has the obligation to obey the untwisted laws. Disobey the court. Make his case to the legislature that he obeyed the untwisted laws. Courts can't impeach him.
If anything this case has raised awareness of this difficult issue.
bttt
He did all that the court failed to prohibit him from doing, until it prohibited him.
He wussed out on this one.
The Bushs' are done politically - I will never volunteer again for them - they show their MA liberal elitist values once they get in power. I would rather know my enemy than one who stabs me in the back - the Bushs' are back stabbers plain and simple.
That I cannot agree with.
Which is lawful...
to do good
or to do evil,
to save life
or to kill?
Cordially,
Perhaps that was God's plan all along. It's time to let go and focus on electing and appointing judges without agendas.
Well, I'm sorry about your family truly. But yes, it was meant to be cruel--not as a joke. This whole affair makes me sick and reminds something you'd read about that occurred in Nazi Germany. They all scrambled around after the war proclaiming they were "just following the law" or "they were only following orders". Such an excuse! Yes, it was a cruel, but yet a sarcastic comment, because that's the way I feel about it and the intervention from my country on this subject is most disppointing, disheartening and pathetic. This country has lost it's way!
As far as your parent, I sincerely hope they have found paradise and God's loving grace and salvation. And for you to have found peace and love because of your loss. I've always honored and held people, like your parent, in high esteem, so that was not my intent. From that perspective, I'm sorry if this was intrepreted wrongly.
And an Executive Order can override a court order? If so, I stand corrected.
When the emotionalism abates a little, he probably will. Right now whatever he says will be sniped at by different factions so currently it's a bad venue for getting an important point across.
This will not happen to me because I have a good husband. Terri chose a dirty, rotten scoundrel. Also, I am not terrified because there is the Resurrection. Terri has this to look forward to so all is not lost.
As far as whether or not I want the Governor riding to the rescue if I am in such a situation...definitely not.
As far as your point that men and women have done nothing...this is absolutely not true. A lot has been done for Terri. Years of work from many people. Your statement here is false.
You miss my point entirely. This is far bigger than Terri. This is just the beginnings of forced euthansia. Look at the total picture and beyond this poor woman. Because there is a bigger picture here, yes, most definitely I do believe higher government needs to step in and stop it now. This is only the beginning. This effects every single one of us. All of us have either an elderly parent, a handicapped child or adult or someone who is deathly ill in our lives. Forced euthanisia is happening elsewhere. It is only a matter of time before it will be a common thing in America. This is the reason activist judges and lawyers have the balls to rule the way they do. Our leaders who claim to be christians and value life need to have the balls to step in and stop it. Someday we all will look back upon this case and wish we had stopped it at the beginnings. Think beyond Terri, please, and get my point here.
The answer is that the VOTERS have to vote in good politicians who will fix the judicial system, particularly in Florida. Not just a dribbling of good politicians...a lot of them. In some states it's not a bad problem. The voters are pro-life and are voting in good politicians who keep their judicial systems healthy. However, it's no mistake that this happened in Florida. We already know Florida's judicial system sucks (think 2000 and Al Gore). Florida's judicial system is in shambles. I'm afraid it's not up to the Governor to fix in single-handedly. It is primarily the voters' responsibility as it should be in a true Republic.
I believe these issues should be legislated at a state level, and so does the Supreme Court which is why they turned the case away. Florida in particular has terrible problems at this time. The voters have to choose right.
Well, I am not going to go back and forth with you on this. I feel that there are ways j bush can step in. I have read all of the fight for terri websites and I they too do not believe he has done everything. He is the one who has to live with himself. I feel his political career is finished. I am still amazed like I said earlier in this thread that a circuit court judge can choose not to follow law in his ruling, a federal judge can choose not to follow the law in his ruling and the ruling still stands. I am wondering what the great Ronald Reagan would have done in this situation.
See Mark Steyn's "KILLING FOR NO COMPELLING REASON" - posted here on FR, from Jewish World Review.com
http://jewishworldreview.com/0305/steyn032805.php3
Excerpt:
"That's how I feel about the Terri Schiavo case. I'm neither a Floridian nor a lawyer, and, for all I know, it may be legal under Florida law for the state to order her to be starved to death. But it is still wrong. This is not a criminal, not a murderer, not a person whose life should be in the gift of the state. So I find it repulsive, and indeed decadent, to have her continued existence framed in terms of ''plaintiffs'' and ''petitions'' and ''en banc review'' and ''de novo'' and all the other legalese.
Mrs. Schiavo has been in her present condition for 15 years. Whoever she once was, this is who she is now — and, after a decade and a half, there is no compelling reason to kill her. Any legal system with a decent respect for the status quo — something too many American judges are increasingly disdainful of — would recognize that her present life, in all its limitations, is now a well-established fact, and it is the most grotesque judicial overreaching for any court at this late stage to decide enough is enough.
It would be one thing had a doctor decided to reach for the morphine and ''put her out of her misery'' after a week in her diminished state; after 15 years, for the courts to treat her like a Death Row killer who's exhausted her appeals is simply vile."
Like I said he could bring in martial law, but for the reasons I discussed above this is not a good idea. Can you imagine a future Democratic Governor calling in the military based on Jeb's precedent to "save a life" under their standards? I'm sure you know what kind of standards they would dream up.
Jeb will live with himself and he will live with himself peacefully. He has thought about this more deeply than you or I for many years. He did not make a light decision. You can be sure of that. He knows that the long term question of euthanasia is up to the people, not him.
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