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To: nathanbedford
"a backward Soviet Union"

Um, not all that backward. Remotely. Part of urban European civilization for centuries. But still -

"surprise us with the atomic bomb"

They stole it, with treason help.

"was neutralized twice in one decade"

Hardly. SAC could have turned the USSR into a smoking irradiated ruin inside of 2 hours at any time in the first half of the cold war, with minimal loss to ourselves in retaliation. But (1) even that cost wouldn't have been worth it (2) we don't do such things (3) we won anyway and (4) we did not fully understand at the time just how far ahead of them we were.

As for projections, I'm being quite generous in the above estimates, and 20 years is not a long time in economic terms. Also, I wonder if you've thought much about the absolute figures I gave. For the next generation, even counting things being much better at the end of the period than at the begining, the average person in China is going to live on $200 a month. Try it, and see how much you have left for big ticket acquisitions. There is a reason US defense spending dwarfs China's.

The next big thing in weaponry, whatever it is, will be made in the labs of US government agencies, major universities, or commercial contractors. Yes I can bank on it. On track record, on first principles, on all the science I know is in the pipeline already. Civilizations aren't made out of spins of a roulette wheel, they are vastly broader and deeper things than that.

What is mostly going to happen in China over the next generation, is a lot of people are going to work very hard and lift themselves out of grinding poverty to something approaching a comfortable middle class existence, provided they continue to work very hard and their leaders don't do anything reckless. Their leaders, having a deep case of the evil stupids and delusions of grandeur, may very well do any number of reckless things.

43 posted on 03/29/2005 6:05:25 AM PST by JasonC
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Business
China growth to exceed forecasts

Sunday, March 20, 2005 Posted: 11:58 PM EST (0458 GMT)


BEIJING, China (Reuters) -- China's economy will grow at an average annual rate of 8 percent from 2006 to 2010, according to a top think-tank whose forecast exceeds a well established official view that long-term growth would average 7 percent.

The new forecast from the cabinet's Development Research Centre (DRC), reported by state media on Monday, follows the government's decision not to repeat for 2005 the 7 percent growth forecast which it had routinely issued for previous years and which the economy had routinely exceeded.

Instead it is forecasting 8 percent growth for 2005, and the think-tank extended that outlook until 2010.

"China's economy will maintain average annual growth of 8 percent during the Eleventh Five Year plan period (2006-2010), boosting per capita GDP to $1,700," the China Securities Journal quoted a report by the think-tank as saying.

"Rapid capital formation will still be the key driving force for economic growth during the Five Year plan period and growth between 2010 and 2020," the think-tank was quoted as saying.

"That means China will achieve its goal of quadrupling its gross domestic product from 2000 to 2020 ahead of schedule," the China Daily quoted the centre's vice director Sun Xiaoyu as saying.

The China Daily also quoted Han Wenxiu, a senior official at the National Development and Reform Commission, as saying accelerating urbanisation and higher consumption in houses, cars and home appliances, would help underpin long-term growth.

But Zhang Xiaoji, an economist at DRC, was quoted by the newspaper as saying that China would face obstacles in sustaining its rapid growth due to energy and environment strains.

"The nation's resources and the environment are coming under greater pressure as China strives to maintain sustainable development," Zhang was quoted as saying.

"The environment will pay the price unless the country shifts from the current resource-intensive model of economic growth."

The government has been trying to narrow a rich-poor gap by spending more in rural areas and curb fixed-asset investment while promoting consumption to better balance economic growth.

Yiping Huang, economist at Citigroup in Hong Kong, agreed that China's economy would be able to maintain around 8 percent growth until 2010, but he saw it slowing slightly afterwards.

And the economy faced challenges, Huang said.

"China is very likely to maintain that strong growth, but there are issues it has to deal with," he said "I think the most important problem in the near term is over-investment."

"The longer-term problems China will have to deal with are this big question of capital efficiency, which is related to the over-investment problem but also related to the efficiency of the banking sector and the stock market," he said.

The goal of quadrupling GDP between 2000 and 2020 assumed annual average growth around 7 percent, and the government has been targeting that rate for the Tenth Five Year plan, covering 2001 to 2005.

But official data suggest that the actual growth rate for 2001 to 2005 will exceed 8 percent.

The economy was 9.5 percent larger last year than in 2003, despite government steps to hold down growth, including the country's first interest rate rise in nine years in October.



http://www.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/03/20/chinagrowth.rt/


44 posted on 03/29/2005 9:59:07 AM PST by nathanbedford (The UN was bribed and Good Men Died)
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