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Bush irks India by selling fighters
The Washington Times ^ | 03/26/05 | Sharon Behn

Posted on 03/26/2005 9:57:27 PM PST by MJY1288

The Washington Times
www.washingtontimes.com

Bush irks India by selling fighters

By Sharon Behn
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published March 26, 2005

The Bush administration yesterday announced the sale of F-16 fighter jets to its anti-terrorism ally, Pakistan, a major policy shift in the region that irked Pakistan's longtime nuclear rival India.
    Pakistan, the only nuclear-armed Muslim-majority nation, is seen as critical to the U.S. strategy in the region. A senior administration official said yesterday there was "no set limit" on what Washington would be willing to sell to Islamabad.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: allies; ally; allypakistan; armsbuildup; bush43; f16; geopolitics; gwot; india; pakistan; southasia
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1 posted on 03/26/2005 9:57:27 PM PST by MJY1288
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To: MJY1288

I don't like this one bit. Musharraf is an ally, but India has always been more reliable and more stable. Who knows how long Musharraf will be around.


2 posted on 03/26/2005 10:01:23 PM PST by UofORepublican
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To: UofORepublican

I think it is more of the same old playing both sides of the fence approach....typical Washington.


3 posted on 03/26/2005 10:08:04 PM PST by EagleUSA (Q)
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To: EagleUSA

Playing both sides of the fence is fine as long as Chinese technicians don't get to dissect the F-16 & given their influence in Islamabad,they will.


4 posted on 03/26/2005 10:20:51 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: UofORepublican

At least Musharraf put his life where his mouth is. Why dont you name one war that the US has fought that India has supported? India has opposed the US at the UN more than any other civilized country. Give me a break.


5 posted on 03/26/2005 10:45:32 PM PST by econ_grad
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Why dont you name one war that the US has fought that India has supported?

Afghanistan, circa 2001-2002. Will this silence you?

6 posted on 03/26/2005 11:14:54 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: econ_grad

WW2 too.


7 posted on 03/26/2005 11:15:12 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Whao! Wasn't counting that one, but I am glad India didn't oppose that war, although I wonder what the left in India thought. India would have hit a rock-bottom if they did. How about what war did they support us when we needed international support?


8 posted on 03/26/2005 11:19:45 PM PST by econ_grad
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To: CarrotAndStick

I dont think India supported US during WW2. First of all, India didn't exist. Secondly, we had people like Bose out there helping out the Nazis.


9 posted on 03/26/2005 11:21:19 PM PST by econ_grad
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To: CarrotAndStick

I dont think India supported US during WW2. First of all, India didn't exist. Secondly, we had people like Bose out there helping out the Nazis.


10 posted on 03/26/2005 11:21:57 PM PST by econ_grad
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To: econ_grad

"India has opposed the US at the UN more than any other civilized country. Give me a break."

I think this is cold war dynamics and some lignering residual aftereffects of the same. The fact is that India is an open democracy (as opposed to a Islamic military dictatorship like Pakistan) and as such seems in the long-term to be a much more suitable ally for the U.S. Pakistan is expedient for the moment because of the war on terror and though I would love to see that country stabilize and set on the path to democracy (and normalization of relations with its neighbors), it seems rather unlikely in light of the level of radicalization of its military and large segments of its population.


11 posted on 03/26/2005 11:22:20 PM PST by Avenger
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To: Avenger

Long term we need to clone Musharraf or do a Weekend At Bernie's kind of stint there. I dont think India can be trusted in the long term. They gave us the finger before and what is to stop them from doing so again?


12 posted on 03/26/2005 11:28:54 PM PST by econ_grad
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To: sukhoi-30mki

UAE F-16F block 60

F-16C Block 40's.....Egypt/Bahrain

There's Block 52 data to be schemed from the Greeks too...
allong with possible espionage opportunity within Europes F-16 Community.

Alot of opportunities for China to cull F-16 data

13 posted on 03/26/2005 11:43:15 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: sukhoi-30mki

UAE F-16F block 60

F-16C Block 40's.....Egypt/Bahrain

There's Block 52 data to be schemed from the Greeks too...
allong with possible espionage opportunity within Europes F-16 Community.

Alot of opportunities for China to cull F-16 data

14 posted on 03/26/2005 11:44:08 PM PST by Light Speed
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Chindits in Burma, 1944

British and Indian troops in action, 80 miles south of Mandalay, in March 1945

Madras Sappers and Miners work on a 'corduroy' road east of Kohima, on the Jessami track, August 1944. Timber provided a cheap way of producing a reasonably durable road surface for those hard-to-reach areas where mule or air transport was not enough.

Indian Paratroopers during World War II, with a British officer. Source: Parachute Regiment (India).

The first Indians to parachute - Captain Rangaraj (right) and Havildar Major Mathura Singh (left).

British and Indian troops exchange pleasantries as they meet on the road between Imphal and Kohima following the successful relief of the Kohima box. Circa April 1944.

A truly spectacular image. In the heat of the moment - Indian soldiers storm a German trench, after exploding it with hand grenades. Circa 1945.

An Italian soldier surrenders to a Jawan, during Operation Crusader, of an unnamed Division and Regiment, on 08 December 1941. The purpose of Operation Crusader was two-fold; to relieve Tobruk and destroy the Afrika Korp. First part of the conflict was a success, the second a failure. The battle took place between the Egyptian border and El Agheila in Libya.

An Indian soldier holds a captured Nazi flag. Circa 1945.

Medium artillery guns get unusual attention from their detachments.

Indian paratroopers being dropped at Elephant Point, Burma on 1 May 1945.

Flag captured from the 90th Panzer Light Division at Ruweisat Ridge. Circa 1942.

A Lieutenant Colonel from the 20th Indian Division, accepts the formal surrender of a Japanese Commander at Saigon, Vietnam in September 1945.

A group from the 152nd Para Battalion displaying the Japanese flag they captured while operating against the Japanese Army at Tangkhul Hundung. Circa 1945.

The Great War (World War I) A cover from a piece of British sheet music. Circa 1914. Note that the Indian soldiers are pictured as still being armed with the single shot Martini-Henry rifles and muzzle loading artillery!">

15 posted on 03/26/2005 11:46:30 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Light Speed

To post those pictures here, I'd suggest you copy it to your hard disk first, then use this site to post them here on FR.

http://www.uploadyourimages.com/


16 posted on 03/26/2005 11:50:39 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Light Speed

Egypt is reportedly considering a big order for upto 100 F-16 Blk 50/52s(with American aid,ofcourse).They also have strong ties with Pakiland & reportedly have missile cooperation with China & North Korea.But don't tell any of this to the "experts" on here-they tell u that the Arabs & others get only the most primitive systems,even if it's labelled as Blk 50 or Blk60.


17 posted on 03/26/2005 11:50:44 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Cronos

Hello Cronos! I wish to inform you that econ_grad beckons you.


18 posted on 03/26/2005 11:56:23 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: econ_grad

There were over two and a half million Indian citizens in uniform during the war. The Fifth Indian Division, for example, fought in the Sudan against the Italians, and then in Libya against the Germans. From North Africa the Division was moved to Iraq to protect the oilfields.

After this relatively easy posting, the Division was moved to the Burma front, together with eight other Indian Divisions, and then occupied Malaya. It was then moved to Java to disarm the Japanese garrison there. The men from this Division won four Victoria Crosses. In addition, Indians served in the Royal Indian Navy and in the Indian Air Force which, in recognition of it's war contribution, was granted royal status in 1945.

The Fourth Indian Division also fought in North Africa, Syria, Palestine, Cyprus and then in Italy. Together with the 8th and 10th Division it participated in the taking of Monte Cassino, after which it was moved to Greece. Four men of the Fourth were awarded Victoria Crosses.

Over 36,000 Indian members of the armed forces were killed or went missing in action, and 64,354 were wounded during the war. Indian personnel received 4,000 awards for gallantry, and 31 VCs. The only VC winner from elsewhere in the Empire was Corporal Sefanaia Sukanaivalu, of the Fiji Military Forces, who earned this highest of all commendations in June 1944, at Bougainville.


19 posted on 03/26/2005 11:59:12 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

India wasn't even independent until 47. These are Indians, but under English command. There are Gurkhas fighting in Iraq, but that doesn't mean that Nepal is fighting in Iraq.


20 posted on 03/27/2005 12:00:57 AM PST by econ_grad
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