[zarf]

You know nothing of this case. It has been litigated into the ground and not ONE court has ruled in favor of the parents. Yes, the courts have seen the facts and it's over.

It's the husbands decision...leave it at that.

You guys are no different than the meatheads from MoveON.org: you will self-destruct and destroy any chance that your agenda will make further gains in the political arena.

It's Christians Gone Wild I tell ya!!

[k2blader]

BTW, why don't you just admit that for you this is more about opposing Christianity than anything else. Your posting history reveals that bias.

[Travis McGee]

Ya Fritz! All the good German judges agreed as well, when they signed "lawful" euthansaia orders for "life unworthy of life," as they called it.

Just click your boot heels, and throw out your right arm, and scream "Zieg Heil!"

You'll really feel much better.

[Numbers Guy]

Yes, the courts have seen the facts and it's over.

For your edification, the "courts" other than Judge Greer's court have ruled on procedural grounds, not factual grounds.

It's the husbands decision...leave it at that.

But for which wife?

I notice, by the way, that you didn't respond to my question about famine. If starvation is such a peaceful wonderful death as you seem to think, then I would expect you to denounce famine relief efforts. So let's hear you live up to your rhetoric.

[Diogenesis]

You are not only inaccurate. You are filled with ad hominems.

Go back to DU. Oh, I forgot. It's closed to this subject. ROTFLOL.

	GREER DONOR	AMOUNT	POSITION	ACTION
Lawyers For Michael Schiavo	Hamden Baskin III    Felos & Felos            Deborah Bushnell     Gyneth S. Stanley    Steven Nilsson         Beth Wilson	$500  & $500 $250 $250 $150 and $250 $250 and $250 $250 and $100	Michael Schiavo’s Lawyer[s]	Greer denies many or all of Schindler’s in favor of Felos Greer Allows hearsay as evidence/disallows Schindler’s statements Felos former chairman of board of directors of Hospice of Florida Suncoast
	Daniel Grieco	$300	Employer of Michael Schiavo at time of Feb. 25, 1990 then attorneyOf record for Michael up until the malpractice award,	Incident when injuries occurred to Terri,Reappeared as attorney for selected pleadings
State/County Employees/Elected	Frank Nagatani	$50 and $50	DCF Attorney	Squashed testimony for DCF Investigator to appear on behalf of abuse allegations
	Bernie McCabe	In-Kind	State Attorney	Allowed underling to appear in campaign ad for Greer Will not call Grand Jury
	Everett Rice	$500 & In-Kind	Sheriff/State Rep	Didn’t conduct criminal investigation into what really happened to Terri or allegations of abuse after initial incident Allowed Deputy & use of county property to appear in campaign ad for Greer
	John Carassas	$100	Deputy Attorney General	Florida Deputy Attorney General, involvement with Rice in Sept. 2003 motion for Greer recusal dueTo improper discussion of case
	James Hellickson	$150 & In Kind	Assistant state attorney in office of Bernie McCabe, Pinellas/Pasco State Attorney	Appeared in Greer Campaign Ad
	Paula Shea	In Kind	Assistant Pinellas Public Defender	Appeared in Greer Campaign Ad
	Andrew Sasso	$100	Officer in Guardianship monitoring program and Guardian ad litem pool	Was supposed to: “evaluate information about the well-being and property of all persons adjudicated of having a legal incapacity so that the court can fulfill its legal obligation to protect and preserve the interests of the ward,” FL COURTS
Misc. People w connections	Richard La Belle	$100	Member of Board of Directors of Advocacy Center for Persons with Disabilities	Supposedly ACPD doing investigation into Schiavo case
	Battaglia, Ross, Disus and Wein	$250	Principal Kelli Crabb is past chairperson of Hospice Foundation of Florida Suncoast and member of Board of directors
	Gus Bilirakis	$40 cash	Former Hospice Board member and of American Hellonic Education Progressive Assoc. (AHEPA)	Felos past Governor
	Divito and Higham	$250 and $250	Law firm employed by St. Petersburg/Venice Dioceses	Terri’s Dioceses

 

 

 

 

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[MsLady]

<>i>It's the husbands decision...leave it at that.

Yea, what do we think were doing putting poor Scott Peterson behind bars.

[isthisnickcool]

What's interesting about this event is that it brings out the true character of people. Hillary Clinton and others in the US Senate understand this. That's why they voted by voice and no recorded vote. In the House they had Barney Frank lead the charge. LOL! Death becomes him. He's a devoid.

The US is (was?)not a third world nation. This is not the Congo. Or some backwater nation that throws tires around people's necks and sets them aflame.

This is the land of the free and the home of the brave. The country of John Wayne, Audie Murphy, Sgt. York, Roy Rogers, the Lone Ranger. A country built on bravery. A country that still has people that would run UP the stairs on 9/11 to their deaths while trying to save others. More heros are overseas fighting for us today.

Don't give me some crap about courts and court cases. The bottom line is that many many people have worked very hard to kill this woman. It's been pornographic. Sickening and frightening. Not a hero in the lot.

This killing by judicial fiat is not America. It puts us on the same level as backwards people in backwards places who eat each other. We don't take the helpless among us in this country and sacrifice them. But if we do in this case it cracks the foundation of what many people like me believe what this country is about. If this woman dies America no longer has the moral authority to point fingers at anyone else. We will no longer be the good guys. Hang up the white hat.

[adiaireton8]

It has been litigated into the ground and not ONE court has ruled in favor of the parents. Yes, the courts have seen the facts and it's over.

Let's follow the logic. Since the courts have seen all the facts, therefore, whatever is happening to Terri must be ok.

Problem: non sequitur.

It's the husbands decision...leave it at that.

Again, follow the logic: Since the husband is her legal guardian, therefore whatever the husband decides to do to her is ok.

Problem: non sequitur.

Looks like zarf needs a logic lesson.

-A8

[Pillows]

It's the husbands decision...leave it at that.

This is what's wrong. He's not a husband anymore (common law wife and kids)....he just wants her dead so he can save what's left of the money.... He's a monster.

[The_Reader_David]

To be shown and to see are two very different things. It is clear that 'Judge' Greer has been shown all the facts, but has not seen anything since he long ago decided that Terri Schaivo was in a Persistent Vegetative State (as defined by a since-revised medical definition) and that (on the basis of her husband's testimony and that of his brother and sister-in-law) that in her youth TS had evinced a wish not to be maintained by extrordinary means.

The rest of the judiciary has been defending his (and their) imperial position in our society, as the one branch of government without any check on its power.

Read the history of the case--judges both state and federal have disregarded the plain sense and legislative intent of at least three statutes (two state and one federal) to bring us to this point.

By the structure of our appelate system, only Judge Greer has had any obligation to consider facts, or rather he and the federal judge who was bidden by federal statute to consider the facts of the case de novo, and proceded to violate the plain meaning of the new federal law by refusing to hear the case.

I think we need to move to a system where the infirmed have the same right to have their case considered by a jury of their peers as have those accused of a crime, or the disputants in most civil cases.

What jury of ordinary folk would have sided with the say-so of an adulterous husband who stood to reap a financial windfall from his wife's demise? What jury of ordinary would have allowed a 'guardian' to place an infrimed woman in an environment without any sensory stimulation (no music, flowers, drawn shades), and denied medical tests to fully determine what she was capable of? What jury of ordinary folk, even if they regarded removal of a feeding tube as ending 'extrordinary medical intervention' would also forbid the succor of an infirmed woman with ice-chips, a glass of water, or jello?

We should also impeach judges who disregard the plain sense of laws for judicial misconduct, and perhaps consider abolishing a court here and there when its judges decide to make law rather than interpret it, thereby sending all of the judges on it back to private law practice. (We can't do that to the SCOTUS, but a few such actions would put them on notice, too.)

[Godebert]

Why don't you goose step on over to DU where they appreciate your type.

[ironman]

"It's the husbands decision."

I think Florida state law says when there is no directive, the patient's wishes are determined by the court, and the US Supreme Court says the standard to be used is clear and convincing evidence.