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US wants to help India be a superpower!
Sify.com ^ | Saturday, 26 March , 2005, 09:58 AM | Sify.com

Posted on 03/25/2005 9:48:23 PM PST by CarrotAndStick

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To: sukhoi-30mki

It's late here. I'm turning in.

Please, I am interested in what you are saying. If you care to, please FReepMail me your argument with citations.

Take care, and thank you for your information.


41 posted on 03/25/2005 11:35:17 PM PST by msf92497 (nothing yet.)
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To: CBart95

ROTFLMMFAOPMPSMPTIDLOL @ "random behavior or gratuitous acts of mistaken kindness"!!!


42 posted on 03/25/2005 11:35:20 PM PST by FYREDEUS
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To: hedgetrimmer

It's not about whether the U.S. 'should' be the only Superpower; its about recognition of the Reality that it isnt going to be the only Superpower FOREVER, and given that, about what moves to make EARLY to have the board the way the West wants it when the time comes ;-).


43 posted on 03/25/2005 11:45:05 PM PST by FYREDEUS
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To: Wiz

Western Civilization hasnt been the 'prime mover' in History for millenia by keeping all its eggs in ONE basket indefinitely...do you really think the United States of America will remain the only Superpower [or will even exist] FOREVER???


44 posted on 03/25/2005 11:49:31 PM PST by FYREDEUS
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To: CarrotAndStick

Exactly...one must begin from a recognition of Reality or Strategy cannot possibly succeed.


45 posted on 03/25/2005 11:56:42 PM PST by FYREDEUS
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To: NutCrackerBoy

I'd prefer "China will not get the goodies."


46 posted on 03/25/2005 11:58:39 PM PST by FYREDEUS
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To: FYREDEUS

I have never said would be, since the future is uncertain. I have said should be. There are no other country in the world more active in spreading democracy than US, including military affairs.


47 posted on 03/26/2005 12:02:43 AM PST by Wiz
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To: msf92497

The F22 is a marvelous machine but as capable as it may be its without doubt so darn expensive there will not be enough of them to completely replace the F-15...that may have to wait for the NEXT gen of [unmanned?] fighters.

And besides its just another AIRplane...*YAWN*...

Now if/when the US starts building a laser-initiated fusion pulse drive [amend or toss the Atmospheric Test Ban treaty] powered heavily armoured vehicle that can function as both a supercavitating submarine and a transatmospheric vehicle [orbital bomber?] as well as a hypersonic fighter armed with pulse-pumped DEW [free-electron or x-ray laser] point defence, electromagnetic-coilgun hypervelocity cannon and enhanced radiation [neutron bomb] brilliant-drone missiles...THEN y'all will really have something to replace the current gen fighters; ONE squadron of such might be all one would need to be the dominant geostrategic power for quite a long while eh? ;-) LOL.


48 posted on 03/26/2005 12:47:53 AM PST by FYREDEUS
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To: FYREDEUS

I got me a pocket knife that does all that and more.. it slices, dices, and makes julliane fries.


49 posted on 03/26/2005 1:06:56 AM PST by msf92497 (nothing yet.)
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To: Wiz

The USA has been the high water mark in known History imo and has mostly been a good steward of Western Civilization's virtues and also done well exporting them culturally over it's centuries...hopefully that will continue for some time yet...

But just as on the personal scale wise Monarchs must concern themselves with a strong succession to maintain the gains they have made for their people, on the state scale wise Empires must concern themselves with a strong succession to maintain the gains they have made for their Civilization.

Western Civilization has been adept at keeping the 'torch' lit by passing it on. America has had its day [which is not yet over] but its night will come and then like Greece passing the torch to Rome it will have to pass the torch to another to carry Western Civilization on beyond 'the fall of the American Empire' just as Britain passed the torch to it...imo India is the most likely successor...if it is properly prepared to pick up the torch when the time comes.

The Future falling to China is not a Fate worthy of contemplating :-(.


50 posted on 03/26/2005 1:24:02 AM PST by FYREDEUS
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To: CarrotAndStick

This article is a joke. Except that the Indians must be laughing with the other side of their mouths. Ridiculous. The Bush administration is selling these weapons to a monster. Pakistan and Saudi are THE countries that started and continue to fund Islamic terror. They are the Godfathers of Islamic fundamentalism today.

I see that some people think that the Bush administration can do NO wrong. lol. Condi is starting her tenure with the screwup of the decade. Even Mad half-bright scores better than Condi right now.

Giving an F16 to Pakistan..nah..actually GIFTING an F16 to Pakistan is like giving it to China. In the interests of Supply Chain Mgmt I recommend that our Pentagon sends one directly to Chengdu or wherever the Chinese have their Fighter Xerox machines.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow the world is going nuts. We are giving the Chinese-Pakistan axis an F16 to copy and the Russians are helping them with the PL-12.


51 posted on 03/26/2005 8:04:33 AM PST by The Incredible One
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To: FYREDEUS

Neither India or China would be where they are today without the massive investment the United States has made in those respective countries. So why has the executive office, in the last 20 years or so, been so interested in advancing these other countries? Why is America's wealth being redistributed to other countries? Someone thinks America need more adversaries? Or more adversaries that can match our economy and military might since the USSR fell apart?


52 posted on 03/26/2005 8:44:53 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: The Incredible One
I see that some people think that the Bush administration can do NO wrong. lol. Condi is starting her tenure with the screwup of the decade. Even Mad half-bright scores better than Condi right now.
The funny thing here is that the US wants to have India as allies and so is arming Pakistan with F-16, CJ10s, PC3 Orions and PAC-2  while in our case the US State Department blocked the sale of Isreali Arrow systems. lol. I wonder whether India would want to be America's allies after this.
 
After Modi was denied the visa a lot of "pro-US" BJP blokes are angry with the US. The commies never loved the US. And now you have this! US popularity I suppose has taken a nose dive big-time.
 
To top it all Wen Jiabao is soon going to visit India and has already promised a major policy change with respect to India. And his timing couldn't have been more perfect after the "self goal" made by the US.
 
China wins the first round virtually hands down. Are they celebrating in China yet?

53 posted on 03/26/2005 9:05:23 AM PST by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: FYREDEUS
Western Civilization hasnt been the 'prime mover' in History for millenia

"Western" civilisation would really only have started durignt he Renaissance. civilisation developed in Sumeria (what is now Iraq), Egypt, the indus valley (in India) and in China c.4000 B.C. Then it civlised Greece around 500 B.C. -- many Greek ideas were taken from Egypt, Mesopotamia, Persia and even from as far as India. The Greeks were still part fothe Middle-Eastern world. The Romans were in transition to the West. But the real 'Western' civilisation was formed during the Renaissance. Remember that even the Germans in the 1800s railed on about the 'West'
54 posted on 03/26/2005 7:04:13 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: FYREDEUS
Western Civilization has been adept at keeping the 'torch' lit by passing it on. America has had its day [which is not yet over] but its night will come and then like Greece passing the torch to Rome

The Greeks being a power? No, the Macedonians maybe. Even they flourished for only a short time before the rOmans came. Now, Rome, I DO admire.
55 posted on 03/26/2005 7:05:48 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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