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Schiavo's Hydration Level Raises Questions
AP via Yahoo ^ | March 25, 2005 | Joseph B. Verrengia

Posted on 03/25/2005 2:16:36 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican

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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
.... stopping food and water causes terminal patients considerable discomfort....

To us, it may not look like the patient is in pain. However, the patient may be so exhausted from lack of food and water that he/she cannot muster the strength to express how much pain they are in.

21 posted on 03/25/2005 2:41:26 PM PST by AlwaysFree (I think - therefore I'm Republican.)
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To: atomicpossum

In a recent New England Journal of Medicine (news - web sites) study, hospice nurses rated the deaths of terminally ill people who voluntarily stopped eating and drinking.



How discusting. Terri isn't even terminally ill and these Hospice nurses cannot put her in the same catagory as the terminally ill. Terminally ill patients vs. starvatation = BIG Difference. This is just another slant, that's all.


22 posted on 03/25/2005 2:43:45 PM PST by Daisy4
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To: uvular

I understand they are giving her morphine. You have to wonder why, since she can't feel pain. Hmmmm...


23 posted on 03/25/2005 2:43:54 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
many medical authorities say she is unable to process or communicate pain and discomfort

So if she is unable to process pain and discomfort, then in her present state of existence before the feeding tube was withdrawn, she was not suffering.

Which begs the question, then how can they say they are withdrawing her feeding tube to "end her suffering" when she can't "suffer" in the first place.

24 posted on 03/25/2005 2:48:59 PM PST by dawn53
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To: TheDon

I understand they are giving her morphine. You have to wonder why, since she can't feel pain. Hmmmm...



I used to be a Hospice RN. "Terminally" ill patients are given morphine, (usually terminally ill cancer patients,)
for pain and to ease respirations. What it does is actually suppress the respirations and makes the dying process less labored, easier and quicker.

But, Terri is not "terminally" ill and never should have been placed under Hospice Care. You have to have a doctor give you a prognosis of 6 months or < to live in order to be placed in a Hospice. This is just more of the cover up that Felos and the bunch have gotten away with.


25 posted on 03/25/2005 2:50:35 PM PST by Daisy4
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To: dawn53

the claim that she's "suffering" is used quite freely by her husband and his lawyer. They speak of her as if she's elderly and in advanced stages of cancer. And the MSM-believing public digests their crap.

Prayers for Terri and her family. It's looking like that's all we can give them.


26 posted on 03/25/2005 2:51:39 PM PST by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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To: TenaciousZ
>>>The media is really falling over itself in its insistence that this process really isn't all that big a deal.<<<

I wonder why no one in the MSM has elected to interview others who have experienced starvation and dehydration and been close to death?

Veterans of Japanese and Vietnamese POW camps, Holocaust survivors, persons who have had to abandon vessels for a raft and not been picked up for days....there is a vast data base for the MSM to "mine".

But then they would have to get out of the office and stop taking the secretaries out for long lunches. Too, too much of a burden. Easier to rely on the say-so of doctors who also belong to the Hemlock Society

27 posted on 03/25/2005 2:53:46 PM PST by HardStarboard (With Lebanon simmering, Iran on medium-high, whose next? I vote Syria....lets turn up the heat!)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

Psalm 79.


28 posted on 03/25/2005 2:55:29 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
The Schindler Family legal team will get a note. Uneven application of Florida powers, a case in point: A Des Moines man's online chat with a video game partner turned into a desperate effort to save her life, authorities said.
Jim Caraway, 21, kept a suicidal Florida woman online for 11 hours early Wednesday until rescuers could find her.
http://www.dmregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050319/NEWS08/503190324&SearchID=73202950703867

BTW: If you have similar credible or truly helpful information to inform them of or would like to send the Schindler Family a note of support--real support--not fanatical out-thereness (this situation calls for clear-headed thinking even though others are really failing in this regard--don't be one of them), see the Contact us link here: http://www.terrisfight.net/
29 posted on 03/25/2005 2:57:23 PM PST by ExposeEvil (Stop Judicial Oligarchism)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
Because she is in a persistent vegetative state without conscious awareness,

pukes

30 posted on 03/25/2005 2:58:10 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: Toskrin

"Amazing how she can survive a week without food and water but goes into cardiac arrest simply by being bulemic."

Her bulemia was a condition that went on for more than a week, along with the fact that she was an active adult, expending what little nutrition her body took in between binging and purging. The potassium imblanance that the malnutrition caused led to the heart attack. Lying in bed with only some reflex movements, requires far less energy, therefore a longer period of time before any systemic shutdowns.


31 posted on 03/25/2005 2:58:24 PM PST by BritExPatInFla
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
"Dry mouth is the most common symptom, but it easily can be alleviated."

But is it being alleviated, in this case? Judge Greer has been relentless in preventing Terri from receiving anything by mouth. He did not even allow her to receive last rites until the priest agreed to put the couple of drops of consecrated wine in her feeding tube rather than on her tongue, shortly before the tube was removed.

32 posted on 03/25/2005 2:59:07 PM PST by Catholic and Conservative
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To: Saundra Duffy

You were looking at evil lurking behind those eyes.Scary to know that there are so many people around who feel so comfortable executing an innocent woman to an excruciating death,on the word of an adulterous estranged husband.
At least now we know,and a lot of them are judges.


33 posted on 03/25/2005 3:04:32 PM PST by northernlightsII
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To: Toskrin

Wow!Very good point.


34 posted on 03/25/2005 3:06:16 PM PST by northernlightsII
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To: BritExPatInFla

What a bunch of nothing it is neither true in medical terms nor factual terms.There has been no finding regarding the cause of her collapse.


35 posted on 03/25/2005 3:12:12 PM PST by northernlightsII
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
Without a national euthanasia policy, physicians said nutrition is the only medical intervention over which Schiavo's surrogate decision-makers can exercise any individual choice.

So now it has begun, has it? Stupid, ignorant idiot Americans will be told that we need a strong euthanasia policy in order to keep their grandma from suffering like Terri. Let's just give grandma a shot and save all that money for her care, so we can give it to the illegal aliens. They are strong, healthy and work hard. Grandma is a drain on society. I can see it now: Idiot Americans lined up in Washington begging for a strong euthanasia policy.

They could go to Holland where sick babies are murdered and teen agers, who are crippled or ill, are regularly killed by the medical profession. They have been killing the elderly there for many years they don't even think about it it is so common.

Yeah, we need a strong euthanasia policy like Holland.

36 posted on 03/25/2005 3:17:11 PM PST by swampfox98 (Michael Reagan: "It's time to stop the flood.")
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To: atomicpossum
We're at a sick point in human culture.

Yes.... I have never been this depressed. Ans I am embarrassed for our country. Our politicians are spineless fools.

37 posted on 03/25/2005 3:22:05 PM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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To: BritExPatInFla

I don't think bulemia would be the only cause of a potassium deficiency. I had an aunt who was hospitalized a couple of times for extremely low potassium. She was in her 70s, definitely not bulemic, just wasn't eating right. After her bouts I always have bananas in the house.
Given Terri's history of serious dieting, I can see how the low levels might occur by just erratic eating, not necessarily bulemia. imo


38 posted on 03/25/2005 3:22:32 PM PST by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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To: ExposeEvil

How about just asking for the "right" to give Terri ice chips and popsicles by mouth?


39 posted on 03/25/2005 3:23:20 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: gathersnomoss
re: Run for president, Jeb. You will get my vote when hell freezes over. Sleep well.

Ditto

40 posted on 03/25/2005 3:23:26 PM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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