Posted on 03/25/2005 5:21:18 AM PST by mhking
Human beings are not vegetables. I stopped reading what you had to say when you began dehumanizing a fellow human, made in God's image. This is what will bring this country down to the level of the nazis, this dehumaninizing of others. Eventually it will slip farther and farther down the slope until we begin massively killing those who are unworthy of life.
I have to agree! Jesus is waiting. What I fight is... Telling Michael Schivo to burn in hell and saying things like "Lord don't let him ever repent". Then I have to ask forgiveness and ask the Lord to save his soul.
He will pay for his evil. Now or before the Lord. I hope it's now... there I go again: Lord forgive me.
Lord Bless and Keep you in His loving arms Terri!
Has Terri been given Communion?
Has Terri been given Communion?
"I suggest you put your money where your mouth is. Grab whatever you feel you need and storm the care facility yourself."
Now you try to draw a false moral equivalence between an elected official carrying out his constitutional role in a government of checks and balances, and a private citizen with no legal authority and no prospect of success causing pointless bloodshed.
Is that what they taught you at law school? No wonder the Republic is in trouble.
"Prove to all of us just how much you can back your beliefs."
I backed my beliefs with 25 years in uniform. I don't need to prove a thing to anybody--and especially not to someone who doesn't understand that "cowboy" is a compliment.
"If you are correct, God will back you and make you safe."
Yes, well, theology is not on the law school curriculm, is it. Interesting, though, that your understanding of it is on a par with an unlettered, murdering peasant like Ossawatomie Brown of Harper's Ferry fame.
"Or did you just find the hat, cowboy?"
I was born to the hat, in Texas, before Eisenhower and Kennedy used troops to overrule state courts and enforce civil rights, as I call for the Bushes to do now.
I'll parse that for you in just a second, so you can see ...
For the life of me, I cannot understand a judge ordering the feeding to be stopped after living this way for 15 years.
Okay. Back to your concession to removing life support if that is the patient's wish. The law concluded that food is life support (when given via G-tube), and that removal of life support is Terri's wish. So, under thos circumstances, it would be WRONG to not give the patient what it wants.
That's how the judge does it. Piece of cake, easy as pie. Sorry we're late, but better late than never, eh?
I love that! I plan on borrowing it in the future.
Exactly. We all know (and dread?) the coming legislative battles because over the last couple of decades there has been, unlike in the past, a bias toward death, instead of the usual bias toward life. And many points were glossed over. And this case, with all it's flaws, will be held up as precedent.
I'm going to the woods now to try to draw my dark colors all over this abysmal story of America's decline and the very regrettable treatment of an innocent, injured girl.
See yah, you excellent younnzer, Petronski......... you are one of the very good ones!
Thom
p.s. If you're ever going to be in the woods, let me know................ but take your time getting there ............. finish that book.
:-)
Uggghhh.
This is such a hard matter.. Ugly, ugly situation..
I think Terri is aware in there, and she has now been starved for several days.
So much time has passed, I truly think it would be cruel to re-insert the tube.
After all, we have no way of knowing if it won't get pulled again in six months or a year..
And this isn't the first time that tube has been pulled.
How many times does she get put through this?
I personally feel that if she is going to be killed, it would be kinder to do a masive dose of morphine to her heart and end it quickly, but of course, while some folks are willing to kill her out-right, none of them has the balls to do THAT.
If you're going to commit murder, then do it like Lady MacBeth.
"Tis best done quickly. "
doesn't make the whole thing less evil, but there is less suffering.
You are very kind. Thanks.
Your heartfelt expression is appreciated.
But I must disagree with your thought. You place "quality of life" above life itself, which is a very dangerous position from which to begin.
Secondly, you defend proceduralism through the "nation of laws" quotation, regardless of consequence. Would you then defend the traffic cop who arrests me for speeding because I was taking you to a hospital after your heart attack? That's proceduralism, MH.
There are natural laws, and there are positive laws. The positive laws in a Judaeo-Christian society cannot supplant the natural laws.
I didn't think that. :)
I agree.
Despite what some people on FR would like, this is NOT a monarchy, and expecting Dubya or Jeb to use force and call out the troops is simple vigilantism.
I don't want to see a precedant set for someone like Hillary.
Good post!
Some good may come out of it, though. It's raised the awareness of Americans to what can happen when it's not definitive what your wishes might be when you're unable to communicate.
I've been asked to come to a local hospital next week to explain living wills to hospital employees and how the process works in Texas. I'm not there to influence what their wishes will be, but merely to help them make sure that they express them completely and effectively.
And that's a good thing.
Well, one thing that colors my view of the integrity of the Florida courts is the 2000 election in which the highest court of that state blatantly disregarded legitmate state law in an attempt to get a desired result.
Terri's case was sent to the Fed courts on Monday. If they were serious about starting from scratch as directed by Congress, or even doing a honest review, Terri's feeding tube would have been re-inserted then, while the matter was reviewed.
This is pro-forma, get rid of the girl and clear the bed.
Legally, this is no different.
Sure it is. In this case a life is trying to be saved, not government largess.
There is such a thing as unjust laws and they must be attacked and often the courts are the best place to do it. There is, however, such a thing as bad judgements which also must be attacked and a legislature is not an inappropriate place to do it.
Thanks for the thoughtful piece.
I fully supported the de novo review. It seemed completely Constitutional to me. The courts felt that it did not apply. So be it. All legal avenues seem to be exhausted. We must not support illegal ones.
It is time to let go. We as humans have done all the proper things we can do for Terri. It is now time to step aside and let God take her in his loving hands.
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