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To: MacDorcha
Hate to break it to you, but astro-physics has a "Pardon our Dust" sign over its main lobby. You also don't cover a lot of it in a science class. You cover it in an astro-physics class.

This bill pertains to the university environment where astophysics is taught. Based on this, a young earth creationist could sue the school for not teaching creationism in a PhD astrophysics course. Then agein, I doubt if there are that many young earth creationists that would get accepted into an astrophysics graduate program. 'Observable' doesn't mean 'observable in real time'." That wasn't covered in my chem lab. Who told you that? Science requires one to confirm with one's senses.

It is true that observable does not mean observable in real time. Your chem lab must've been a freshman one where they didn't want to confuse you with cutting edge research becasue you lacked the background. Basically, most of modern chemistry is not observable with one's senses. You can't visually see the free induction decay induced in a nuclear magnetic resonance experiment. You can't visually see the infrared absorption used to detect the chemical fingerprint of any substance. You can't directly observe the picosecond laser pulses used in ultrafast kinetics experiments, nor can you see with your senses the results of those experiments. That's not real time. You can't use your senses to measure the diffraction pattern from an x-ray crystallography experiment. Even in astrophysics, it takes hours to collect enough light from a distant astronomical source to form an image. That's not real time. Based on your statement that science dictates you must confirm with your own senses, all of modern science is then rubbish becasue we measure things outside of the range of our senses.

90 posted on 03/24/2005 7:15:25 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30

On the contrary. I find that the tools we use to measure the reactions are simply extending our senses. It would still be an observation to me.

The machines we use gather data and send us confermation of said data. Electron readers are just high-tech microscopes.

We can't do that with evolution though. We can't sit a cat under a microscope and observe the species change. We just haven't yet.

Someday if we do gainthat ability, I'd be willing to listen and place a concise summary of confirmed facts about evolution in an intro Sci class.

Until then, it belongs in Bio and Anthropology classes.


119 posted on 03/24/2005 8:45:39 AM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: doc30

"This bill pertains to the university environment where astophysics is taught. Based on this, a young earth creationist could sue the school for not teaching creationism in a PhD astrophysics course. "

The student was already "able to sue the school" for any number of reasons.

This bill simply means that a YEC can go to the classroom and make an arguement for his beliefs in the class. If it holds scientific merit (mostly it will not) the kid gets a good grade.


120 posted on 03/24/2005 8:48:26 AM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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