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DCF Considers Removing Schiavo from Hospice by Force
Palm Beach Post ^ | 3.23.05 | Dara Kam

Posted on 03/23/2005 2:34:59 PM PST by gopwinsin04

State officials say they are considering removing Terri Schiavo from hospice, by force if necessary, despite numerous court orders upholding the removal of the artificial nutrition tube that has kept her alive for 15 years.

Lucy Hadl, secretary of the Department of Children and Families, said Wednesday morning that her staff is relying on a state law that gives the department the authority to intervene on behalf of a vulnerable adult who is 'suffering from abuse or neglect that presents a risk of death or serious physical injury.'

Hadl said that the DCF would have to file a petition in order to remove Schiavo, but that 'it doesn't mean we'd have to have judicial approval in advance of taking the action if we believed it met the threshold for doing it.'

Hadl said that seven years of court rulings backing Schiavo's husband Michael, in his contention that Terri Schiavo did not wish to be kept alive artificially would not stop the DCF from taking action.

'We're not compelled to look at prior judicial proceedings,' Hadl said.

What we are compelled to look at is the presenting circumstances and any allegiations of abuse and neglect that we have recieved. So we have to deal with those and fufill out statutory responsibility.'

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
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To: sobieski
That's how it goes when a feeding tube is removed.

You may not like it but it is what it is...

721 posted on 03/23/2005 6:56:04 PM PST by Jimmyclyde (Dying ain't much of a living boy...)
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To: Jimmyclyde

Hey, Jimmy, you are so knowledgeable about "Terri's will"; when did she ask to be dehydrated over weeks.


722 posted on 03/23/2005 6:56:55 PM PST by sobieski
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To: blueriver

And when did she say "I want my husband to live with another woman" - was that one of her wishes also? You appear to be an expert on what she wanted. And also when did she say she wanted her parents to be treated like garbage by her husband? Gee Michael must be pretty nice to be giving Terri everything she wanted.


723 posted on 03/23/2005 6:57:34 PM PST by blueriver
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To: GopherIt
All: don't waste any more effort talking to this guy, unless you like playing with yo-yos.All:don't waste any more effort talking to this quy, he won't drink the kool-aid.

There. Much better...

724 posted on 03/23/2005 6:57:34 PM PST by Jimmyclyde (Dying ain't much of a living boy...)
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To: Jimmyclyde

OK; when did she know that when the adulterer (ie, a man who broke his contract with her) and her discussed the situation.


725 posted on 03/23/2005 6:57:52 PM PST by sobieski
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To: CatOwner
Bush is now playing the part of Pontius Pilot. If he wimps out for obvious political reasons, he should be removed from office for aiding and abetting in a murder.
726 posted on 03/23/2005 6:58:37 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: Jimmyclyde
Sorry, she never asked to be starved or dehydrated.

Sorry but she did.

Show us the documents attesting to Terri's wishes, signed by Terri herself, preferably witnessed. In short, legally binding, acceptable evidence attesting to Terri's wishes. If you do, all this controversy will go away.

What's that? Don't got 'em? Well, like I thought, you're just another death lover who wants Terri dead. Well, the way things are going, you'll get your chance to dance on Terri's grave. Maybe Michael will invite you to the party and you can raise a glass to toast the success of murdering her.

727 posted on 03/23/2005 6:58:38 PM PST by chimera
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To: Jimmyclyde

Sorry, that doesn't cut it...because she does not have the mental abilities you or the law thinks she should have does not mean she is dying. Glad you are not my next of kin...

What is the IQ cut off?

She is not a vegetable--terms such as that dehumanize her and makes it easy to call for her death.

Look at Terri. Look at her body. Considering she has not seen the light of day in five years and the lack of treatment & therapy her husband is responsible for, she looks damned good. I'd say her will to live is rather strong.


728 posted on 03/23/2005 7:00:47 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: gopwinsin04

It is sad to see so many adults lose total control of their senses.


729 posted on 03/23/2005 7:01:45 PM PST by deaconjim (Freep the world!)
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To: Jimmyclyde

/scarasm on/
Heck let's just bury them alive. They can't feel it anyway. Shoot their brain dead they wouldn't know the difference. This is what they would have wanted, they wouldn't want to live this way.
/scarasm off/

This is what I hear, when people think it is ok to starve brain damaged individuals.


730 posted on 03/23/2005 7:04:42 PM PST by GoreNoMore
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To: Jimmyclyde
I have said that numerous courts found that it was TERRI"S WISH not to live in her current state.

Of course, these are the findings of the famed Florida judicial system, the very one that ratified the electoral fraud in Palm Beach and Broward Counties in 2000 that, had the U.S. Supreme Court not overturned the Florida courts, would have placed Al Gore, a man more radical than Bill or even Hillary Clinton, in the Oval Office.

The only testimony that Terri Schiavo wished to die came from Michael Schiavo. For numerous reasons, including statements in sworn testimony that allege he said "when is that b____ gonna die"; his boasts of what he would do with the insurance money he would receive upon Terri's death; his refusal to allow nursing home personnel to provide occupational, speech, and physical therapy; his intimidation of staff members who tried to help; his refusal to allow medication such as antibiotics; and his common law relationship with another woman by whom he has fathered two children, Michael Schiavo's statements regarding Terri's wishes cannot be reasonably accepted.

But I do not believe the liberal media. You evidently do.

731 posted on 03/23/2005 7:07:21 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Shethink13
Terri died 15 years ago IMHO. Since then she has been forced to "live" a hellish and agonizing "life" with her soul suspended between Heaven and Earth.

The poor woman has no conscious thoughts in whats left of her mind and if she was not kept "alive" by totally unnatural means, she would have been with the Lord for years now.

But no some people want to make a big political circus out of her suffering. People who should know better want to use the constitution as TP in this case. We have Congress and the President joining in the grand showboating scheme.

And to top it all off, now many on this board want, even demand that the governor and the President break the law and take it into their own hands! Many on this board want mob rule. Many are calling for the Governor of Florida to take the law into his own hands and use the national guard as his own private army to do with as he sees fit!

IMHO crazed fanatics have seized control of the pro-life movement and ran it off a cliff in this case! Where is the concern for the poor little babies murdered each and everyday in this country? They are not brain-dead until the bloody abortionist gets his hands on them anyway.

The President and the Republican Congress pay lip service to the abortion issue but they will never do one thing to stop it. So to keep the pro-life voters in line they trump up this poor womens travail into a circus atmosphere and USE HER life and death to generate votes!

The political grandstanding on this issue is gonna backfire on the republicans big-time. A large majority of Americans are against what the President and Congress have done here.

The Federal government has no business or right to but into a state issue in this case. Is the President planning on intervening in each case like this that comes up? Because it happens hundreds of time a year!

The same 'compassionate conservatives' that want to destroy Medicaid and Medicare want to extend the suffering of Terri who is on it to pay the outrageous bills being in a hospital for 15 plus years generates!

Let God decide Terri's fate, not Tom Delay, President Bush, or Jeb and the National Guard!
732 posted on 03/23/2005 7:13:10 PM PST by Walkin Man
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To: All
Got to go guys.

Let's just hope that Bush can send in some heavily armed federal agents and brake down the doors of the hospice and put that tube back in so Terri can go back living a productive and fulfilling life full of balloon watching and staring at the ceiling for 15 more years. Sounds great!!

I'm just glad that Terri is finally getting her wish.

Terri sends her love and says thanks. "Thanks for prolonging my horrible excuse of a life for your own sense of values and morality."

733 posted on 03/23/2005 7:15:46 PM PST by Jimmyclyde (Dying ain't much of a living boy...)
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To: Jimmyclyde
Terri Schiavo may have been bulimic. She also has dark brown hair, formerly lived in Pennsylvania, is Catholic, and is of German ancestry. For all I know, she may have won a spelling bee in the sixth grade and placed second in a 500 meter run at the local YMCA. Of what relevance is her bulimia, or any of the other facts and speculation I just cited? OTOH, Michael Schiavo has had a long term relationship with another woman that would meet the standards of a common law marriage (though I understand that Florida does not legally recognize such relationships). However, his relationship nullifies his moral authority to speak on behalf of Terri.

Her bulimia is irrelevant; his adultery is relevant.

734 posted on 03/23/2005 7:16:44 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Logos124

Take a look at this mess.


735 posted on 03/23/2005 7:17:08 PM PST by Jimmyclyde (Dying ain't much of a living boy...)
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To: Walkin Man
Another drinker of MSM kool-aid! You're at the wrong Web site, pilgrim. Try www.democraticunderground.com. But you better switch to the pro-abortion side to fully fit in over there!
736 posted on 03/23/2005 7:21:52 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: not-alone

I am sorry you lost your husband, and it is good that the Hospice staff could give comfort to your son.
And that is their mission, but here,at Suncoast Hospice, Terri has been a resident for five years.She did not meet the criteria of a Hospice patient, she was not terminal,is not terminal now if she was not being starverd to death.
It is this Hospice that has allowed this, it is this Hospice that is allowing the media circus in front of the Hospice, it is this Hospice that is not giving good careor respect to the rest of its patients, or to their relatives and loved ones.It is their fault if the other patients and patients and families are being disrupted


737 posted on 03/23/2005 7:22:30 PM PST by olliecollie
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To: Dog Gone
I'm worried about the future.

I am too. That the state would sanction the death of a woman guilty of nothing more than being a drain on the state (and a possible liability to her 'guardian') based upon Michael's intrepretation (condemnation) of her 'wishes' is troubling.

Janet Reno IS here (in spirit, in government) and will see to it that Terrie dies no less than the Waco 81. This woman has been without food or water since Friday morning. Today is Wednesday.

738 posted on 03/23/2005 7:30:15 PM PST by budwiesest (As California goes, so goes the whole enchilada.)
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To: tomahawk

bttt


739 posted on 03/23/2005 7:30:54 PM PST by meema
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To: GopherIt
All: don't waste any more effort talking to this guy, unless you like playing with yo-yos.

AMEN!!! Please don't feed the trolls!

740 posted on 03/23/2005 7:33:16 PM PST by Shethink13
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