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DCF Considers Removing Schiavo from Hospice by Force
Palm Beach Post ^ | 3.23.05 | Dara Kam

Posted on 03/23/2005 2:34:59 PM PST by gopwinsin04

State officials say they are considering removing Terri Schiavo from hospice, by force if necessary, despite numerous court orders upholding the removal of the artificial nutrition tube that has kept her alive for 15 years.

Lucy Hadl, secretary of the Department of Children and Families, said Wednesday morning that her staff is relying on a state law that gives the department the authority to intervene on behalf of a vulnerable adult who is 'suffering from abuse or neglect that presents a risk of death or serious physical injury.'

Hadl said that the DCF would have to file a petition in order to remove Schiavo, but that 'it doesn't mean we'd have to have judicial approval in advance of taking the action if we believed it met the threshold for doing it.'

Hadl said that seven years of court rulings backing Schiavo's husband Michael, in his contention that Terri Schiavo did not wish to be kept alive artificially would not stop the DCF from taking action.

'We're not compelled to look at prior judicial proceedings,' Hadl said.

What we are compelled to look at is the presenting circumstances and any allegiations of abuse and neglect that we have recieved. So we have to deal with those and fufill out statutory responsibility.'

(Excerpt) Read more at palmbeachpost.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: arrestmichaelshiavo; dcf; indict; indicthimnow; indictmichaelshiavo; indictmikenow; indictoninsulinstory; indictwithnursestory; now; saveterri; schiavo; terri; terrischiavo; timeisrunningout; usenursetestimony
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To: xcable

>>I joined this week because this story is intresting and I read and listein to both sides(imagine that)<,

Yes, but your anti-Iraq message tells me a bit more about your troll status,plus your other comments. You might try spell-check as well. Another telling clue of your troll status.


421 posted on 03/23/2005 4:13:58 PM PST by sissyjane (Silk pajamas for dress up, and flannel for everyday-perfect Freeper wardrobe!!)
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To: davidosborne

It appears the Florida death industry is into many pockets.


422 posted on 03/23/2005 4:14:10 PM PST by demlosers (Soylent Green is made in Florida)
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To: Glenmerle; Hildy
"It already has that kind of power. Hence Bush considering its use. People are simply asking the agency to apply its power in Terri's case."

Damn straight.

423 posted on 03/23/2005 4:14:28 PM PST by Miss Behave (Man who fart in church sit in own pew.)
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To: Blurblogger

Amen.


424 posted on 03/23/2005 4:14:52 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: sissyjane

Please, Anti-Iraq,Your talking to a disabled vet,Please, nothing personal.To serious of a conversation for this,I wont respond to anymore Troll stuff


425 posted on 03/23/2005 4:15:14 PM PST by xcable
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To: Hildy
This is not what the agency is there for.

This is precisely what they are there to do.

426 posted on 03/23/2005 4:15:22 PM PST by Petronski (If 'Judge' Greer can kill Terri, who will be next?)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
But the governor can turn that on a dime

For thouands of years kings and dictators had the power of life and death over citizens. That was reduced with the Magna Carta and our founders were in agreement on only one real point. The executive of our states and nation, were not to have any direct power over citizens. Only judges and juries could have such power in our nation.

To believe that Govenrors and Presidents can take custody of individuals is just nuts. The one exception was non aligned combatants in military conflict. It used to be that those who engaged in combat with out being attached to a nations miliary had no rights. That was the basis of our holding the terrorists in cuba. But now that is being overturned by the courts.

No president has ever had the right to take charge of any citizen with out first gaining permission of the courts.

Some may not like the way our goverment works, but that is how it works. Nothing could be more dangerous than giving a President life and death control over citizens. Some president would figure out that all he had to do was kill those that disaggreed with him. That is what kings and dictators did for centuries.

Love it or hate it our personal freedom is in the hands of judges. It is judges that need to have their power curbed. Taking life and death power away from Presidents, kings and governors was the most important act to giving citizens any freedom.

427 posted on 03/23/2005 4:15:52 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: glock rocks
Vengence is reserved for the Good Lord. he will prevail. There are many good ppl working hard.

Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Romans 13
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

Federalist #78 Alexander Hamilton:

"Whoever attentively considers the different departments of power must perceive, that, in a government in which they are separated from each other, the judiciary, from the nature of its functions, will always be the least dangerous to the political rights of the Constitution; because it will be least in a capacity to annoy or injure them. The Executive not only dispenses the honors, but holds the sword of the community. The legislature not only commands the purse, but prescribes the rules by which the duties and rights of every citizen are to be regulated. The judiciary, on the contrary, has no influence over either the sword or the purse; no direction either of the strength or of the wealth of the society; and can take no active resolution whatever. It may truly be said to have neither FORCE nor WILL, but merely judgment; and must ultimately depend upon the aid of the executive arm even for the efficacy of its judgments."

Pray that Governor Bush and President Bush do the right thing for Terri, even if SCOTUS doesn't!
428 posted on 03/23/2005 4:17:03 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: EricT.
This just in: Greer orders State Police to stop giving traffic tickets in front of his house; Greer Orders DCF not to enforce its laws; Greer orders state police not to stop crimes that they observe today.

He has no authority to tell executive agencies how to react to new situations that are not before him. He can only rule on facts that are presented to him after they have occurred. This has gone beyond ridiculous to absurd.

429 posted on 03/23/2005 4:17:07 PM PST by Defiant (Make unconstitutional rulings unconstitutional.)
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To: demlosers; DoubleOJanet
"Yes, Greer cannot deny a lawful statute being carried out."

Damn straight on that, too.

430 posted on 03/23/2005 4:17:14 PM PST by Miss Behave (Man who fart in church sit in own pew.)
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To: xcable

>>Maybe theres some national guard left,Most are dying in iraq looking for WMD.So if armed men (national guard) were to barge in and do whats necessary to get this women out,Even when other people were to surely get injured or killed,People think thats reasonable! Insanity<<

This is what you posted......



432 posted on 03/23/2005 4:17:48 PM PST by sissyjane (Silk pajamas for dress up, and flannel for everyday-perfect Freeper wardrobe!!)
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To: Petronski

Perhaps we are watching a BIG sting operation. Tracing the trail of corruption and who's who.. Just don't endanger Terri please....


433 posted on 03/23/2005 4:17:51 PM PST by glowworm ( Rats and rat behavior, a rat is a rat is a rat..)
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To: truthluva
Why hasn't the DCF been involved before now? I didn't think they were involved the last time the feeding tube was removed for six days, were they

A question like that was asked at the news conference.

A DCF official answered that DCF has to respond to a specific complaint -- they don't just go around looking for problems.

I believe DCF received a "hotline" complaint sometime in the last couple of months.

I may be wrong, since I couldn't hear the entire press conference too well (due to that idiot Shep Smith's butting in with BREAKING NEWS); but I heard someone say later that the complaint was made by Mayo Clinic neurologist Dr. William Cheshire (the doctor who has now stated in a sworn affidavit that Terris is NOT in PVS, but is rather "minimally conscious").

434 posted on 03/23/2005 4:18:13 PM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: gopwinsin04

Jeez doesn't anyone watch the old Rockford Files, just pull the fire alarm and wheel her out in the confusion...../sarcasm


435 posted on 03/23/2005 4:18:14 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: pw2000

no way I would like to be kept like a house plant just to say I'm alive by those that love you.


It won't happen to you by those that know and love you - because they would give you range of motion, therapy, interaction, good medical care, take you out in the sunshine. You end up like this w/no care and she is still very much capable of living a productive life but her 'guardian' says no - not a loved one - just a guardian.


436 posted on 03/23/2005 4:18:48 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: davidosborne

bump for later.


437 posted on 03/23/2005 4:18:49 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (when she dies, America dies.)
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To: xcable
No punctuation and whining. Yep, you're a troll.
438 posted on 03/23/2005 4:19:03 PM PST by beandog (The only time I was wrong was the time I thought I was wrong)
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To: xcable

I you joined to listen and read then why don't ya shuddup and take your own advice, rather than acting like a flaming troll that lacks reasoning.



439 posted on 03/23/2005 4:19:19 PM PST by Rain-maker
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To: My Favorite Headache

But isn't Naples a wine-and-cheese kind of Republican constituency, mostly Yankee in base?


440 posted on 03/23/2005 4:19:54 PM PST by Theodore R. (Why does the GOP continue to fiddle while Terri burns? Is it cowardice?)
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