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SCHIAVO INTERVENTION ENDS
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| 3/23/05
Posted on 03/23/2005 9:01:53 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: blownawaybylibs
Not that I was expecting one but that is no answer.
To: Treasa
Hello Theresa :)
"I understand that the same drivel is being regurgitated thru the courts but it's seems they've neglected other evidence."
I would suggest that the neglected evidence is what is being regurgitated. I've read quite a bit and where evidence isn't consider it is so noted in the court documents. Further, the "nurse" and others making these charges just don't seem to hold up. For example she reported certain matters to the police. Don't you have to wonder why they didn't act on it? Her parents have had 15 years to make their case.........it's not there.
"I heard Sean Hannity say the ORIGINAL crime report was never entered in as well as many other details such as sworn testimony from Nurses etc.."
I heard him too and was saddened to hear him state things that were clearly not true. From my perspective he's been fed stuff people want him to read and hasn't looked at the other information. For example he went on and on and even interviewed on of the parents Dr. but didn't make any statements about the other 4 doctors or the lawyer/doctor that Gov. Bush used to look into the matter!
"They only looked this over for 45 mins yesterday, am I right?"
If it were your butt that was going to be shown to the world would you only spend a couple of minutes on make up? Nah, these guys looked at the info long before they got it and so did their aides. They didn't get to where they are for being entirely stupid.
"but mistakes happen, we need to make certain all the facts are in."
No procedure is 100% perfect, but unless it's an outrageous error surely it would have come to the surface during at least one court review.
Judge Napolitano was on Fox just now. He's usually a pretty fair guy and isn't afraid to knock his own profession. He even has a book out critical of it!
Yet, he believes the courts and judge did a good job. Indirectly, he indicated if there was a shortcoming it was probably Terri's parents lawyers. He had a couple of examples that escape me right now.
To: justshutupandtakeit
That is the ONLY positive aspect of this trainwreck and even then it is a stretch. However, you seem to believe that these powers allow the President or Governor to intervene at will in cases where they have NO authority to do so. They will use those powers in order to SUPPORT a court ruling NOT to thwart one.
I have PRAYED for this "trainwreck". On one of the Terri prayer threads I prayed for the judges to harden their hearts.
The governors and President ALWAYS have authority to use the police power. The police are their employees. Most people, yourself included, consider only the routine situations. Cooperation and reason should be the norm in the operation of government. This is not a normal situation. This is REALPOLITIK. This is the General Relativity of politics while you are thinking Newton.
Now whether they WILL act against judicial orders is what ever court up to now has bet against. But we are at the final hand now - SCOTUS v. Bushes. No way would either Bush be impeached for acting. That's their ace in the hole and their only constraint. Will SCOTUS fold or call their bluff with a final bluff?
Beats the hell out of unlimited Texas Hold 'Em. This would be fun to watch if the emotional stakes weren't so high. But that's what has pushed it to this point.
To: Smartaleck
A good post.
I can't get over the basic misunderstandings there are about PVS and why this is being done.
It's astounding really, and this kind of education is important.
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posted on
03/23/2005 2:53:54 PM PST
by
Peach
(The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
No they will not be impeached but I can tell you that President Bush will not act in this way and if Jeb does you can kiss his chance to be President Bush III goodbye.
To: justshutupandtakeit
This is no example of a "Judicial Oligarchy" but rather an example of WHY the Founders wanted Judicial Independence from the whims of the Mob.
I just don't have the time to explain how clueless you are about the structure of government. But you may get an education very soon. FReepmail me when it happens.
To: ordinaryguy
I have no idea what you're talking about.
And it is not I who is hiding behind the PVS label. You need to google it up. It's basic 101 and until you have an understanding of that, there's no sense discussing it.
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posted on
03/23/2005 2:58:51 PM PST
by
Peach
(The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Dolphy
No. Do you think that people with PVS and massive strokes, etc., in Florida or elsewhere were just allowed to live indefinitely on feeding tubes?
I'd love the know the number of families that took elderly parents off feeding tubes in nursing homes in Florida alone. It would be an eye opening number that would astound Freepers.
And for those who don't like it, work to change the laws.
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posted on
03/23/2005 3:03:01 PM PST
by
Peach
(The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Cboldt
Here is your post:
"Well, Peach is standing by an assertion that thousands of people a day die with the primary initiatinge factor being the withholding of food and water. She "heard it" from the floor of Congress."
What I said, once again, is that I had been saying hundreds of people a day. House representatives on Sunday night said thousands, although I then went on to clarify they said between feeding tube removal and other life saving equipment removal.
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posted on
03/23/2005 3:12:00 PM PST
by
Peach
(The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: MacDorcha
I'm trying to answer a gazillion pings since gettings home so forgive me if I'm confused.
You wanted a link to where Terri's parents admitted they knew that Terri was PVS, and I sent that. Did you want something else instead?
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posted on
03/23/2005 3:13:31 PM PST
by
Peach
(The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Peach
"I can't get over the basic misunderstandings there are about PVS"
The video "snippit" of her seemingly following the balloon has fooled a lot of people....shown many times on TV.
The parent's and one doc's refusal to acknowledge what other the other doctors said and they have a michrophone to put out only the one side. (Just witnessed this on Fox, however, the reporter did conclude with, there are conflicting opinions.)
Hannity and Rush only seeing one side and vocalizing it over the airwaves. Congressmen and, just saw Pat Boone do the same thing.
Blindness of faith and emotion.
Usually reliable Freeper's known for being skeptical about everything aren't being so in this case....unless it's about courts and judge Greer.
How's that? :-)
To: Peach
I see, I think. Your beef is that I put the word "thousands" in your mouth. You meant that hundreds of Americans are lose thier lives to the primary mechanism of deliberate starvation (feeding tube removal) each day.
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posted on
03/23/2005 3:19:52 PM PST
by
Cboldt
To: Peach
Do you believe that Robert Wendland should have been starved to death? He was diagnosed with PVS, and could operate a wheelchair and work with pegs and blocks, as instructed by a therapist. Google it if you need to. If you believe that Terri should be starved to death because she is PVS, and people with PVS can perform as Mr. Wendland, then you are hiding behind the PVS label, using it to justify killing.
That is what I'm talking about. It is basic 101, and until you have an understanding of right and wrong, there is no sense discussing it.
To: ordinaryguy
Then he doesn't have PVS and has been misdiagnosed.
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posted on
03/23/2005 3:27:15 PM PST
by
Peach
(The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Cboldt
It's not a beef and I didn't mean to sound snappish. I was trying to answer a gazillion pings before going out for the afternoon.
What has surprised me is that people did not know that this happens every day in nursing homes and hospitals across the nation. My stepdaughter works in a nursing home. We've did this with my husband's aunt on doctors recommendations.
I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong, painful or not. But freepers who have sat by their parents bedside after the feeding tube was removed and spent as much time with them as they could in their final days say it was peaceful.
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posted on
03/23/2005 3:29:18 PM PST
by
Peach
(The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Peach
But freepers who have sat by their parents bedside after the feeding tube was removed and spent as much time with them as they could in their final days say it was peaceful.Not all freepers. One has said that his/her father opted to do this, it took him a couple weeks to die and it was the most horrible thing the freeper had ever witnessed, and he/she is still not over it years later.
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posted on
03/23/2005 3:31:46 PM PST
by
agrace
To: Izzy Dunne
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posted on
03/23/2005 3:33:12 PM PST
by
Ghost of Philip Marlowe
(Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
To: agrace
With what they are doing to her, the next time it happens, they will probably just bury the person alive. Truely think about that, and tell me the difference.
To: Smartaleck
That Sean, Rush and Senator (and Doctor) Frist have put out such misleaing and outright false statements is an embarrassment, frankly.
One of my neighbors is a nurse and she called me, twice now, after hearing some of the crap our side is putting out and said "Is this a joke?"
And have you seen freepers who think we should accept the word of some guy who "claims" to be a doctor on the internet who runs some website called CodeBlue or something like that? He says the doctors are all wrong and Terri' brain scan isn't really that bad. LOL
And now we have freepers think we should accept his word. But let's not accept the word of doctors and therapists who actually testified under oath and were subject to cross examination.
Are we living in an alternate universe or what? I've never seen anything like it.
I must get 50 freepmails a day from people telling me their parents experienced exactly what Terri is going through (tube withdrawal) following a massive stroke, etc. and thanking me for trying to get the truth out there. They say they don't want to speak out because of the mob atmosphere on FR and fear being called a liar about a subject that is still painful to them. Or being called a mother murderer or something because they let their mom go this way.
It's a sad, sad day for Free Republic. I discussed this with my husband for nearly 2 hours today. He's met several freepers we've had in our home for dinner but at this point, he thinks they are all nuts and he's not too happy with me trying to educate what he termed are obviously the "uneducable". It's like swimming against the tide.
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posted on
03/23/2005 3:36:13 PM PST
by
Peach
(The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Peach
What has surprised me is that people did not know that this happens every day in nursing homes and hospitals across the nation. My stepdaughter works in a nursing home. We've did this with my husband's aunt on doctors recommendations. The point that others have made, and I have asked about, is the context of the cessation of nourishment and hydration. Was the patient's body otherwise healthy, as Terri's is, in those hundreds of cases a day? That's what I find hard to believe, in fact, I don't believe it. I don't believe that 35,000+ patients, with otherwise healthy bodies, are starved to death per year in this country. The CDC statistics must bear this out somehow. 35,000 a year is less than one hundered a day, but it's a significant fraction of the deaths.
http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/overview.htm <-- Maybe the data is "in there."
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posted on
03/23/2005 3:40:05 PM PST
by
Cboldt
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