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1 posted on 03/23/2005 4:46:14 AM PST by billorites
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I stopped at "moral values"...they don't know what that is. I guess I should have stopped at "New York Times," but I was curious...why don't they just go ahead and draw a huge smiley face on this article and get it over with?


2 posted on 03/23/2005 4:47:40 AM PST by pkp1184
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B.S.


5 posted on 03/23/2005 4:52:37 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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I wonder just how many of the people who supported removing Terri's feeding tube were aware of the fact that she wasn't dying before removing it? Most people I've spoken to weren't aware of it.

My best friend couldn't believe it until she checked her self, and then she called me back, crying "Why are they murdering that lady?"

Mark

6 posted on 03/23/2005 4:53:00 AM PST by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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It is rare for Washington politicians to buck public opinion.

This was a comedy piece disguised as opinion.

8 posted on 03/23/2005 4:53:38 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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Andrew Kohut is president of the Pew Research Center.

Just how much money do you get from Teresa Heinz Kerry's Tides Foundation, Mr. Kohut?

And I wonder where the Kerrys stand on this issue? Anyone heard a peep outta them on the subject of Terri Schiavo?

9 posted on 03/23/2005 4:54:32 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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Leave it to the NYT to reduce this woman's life to nothing more than political strategy.


11 posted on 03/23/2005 4:55:24 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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Why should anyone take the results of this poll seriously - or any other for that matter - given the mis-information that is fed daily to the public to begin with, re Terri's case?

. . .as for NYT's critiqueing 'm o r a l'. . .this is like a blind journalist describing an elephant.

12 posted on 03/23/2005 4:58:10 AM PST by cricket
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I wonder if Schiavo may not be more a statutory than a Constitutional issue; 18 USC 241 would seem to apply if 'life' is a "right or privilege secured ... by the Constitution or laws of the United States". While I'm not aware of any general 'right to life' in federal law, the Declaration of Independence says that "[all men] are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life...", and the Ninth Amendment says "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Taken together, these seem to argue that 'life' is a God-given right equal in status to the enumerated rights, and not to be 'denied' by being ignored. Therefore, in a backdoor way, it is 'secured' by the Ninth Amendment, bringing in 18 USC 241.

Well, I am perfectly ignorant about the law and I have no opinion about Schiavo, but I think this line of reasoning is interesting. If it's correct, then no one can be deprived of life without some sort of federal due process.



TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 241

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress,
threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory,
Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or
enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the
Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his
having so exercised the same;...

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more
than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts
committed in violation of this section or if such acts include
kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or
an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to
kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for
any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to
death.


13 posted on 03/23/2005 4:59:42 AM PST by Grut
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You are right - the NYT does not even make good fire starter.

It is a crime against the paper industry - sombody should be charged with "Global" littering - stop the press lock the doors - sell the building to Donny Trumpet. Maybe he Will turn it into a reality TV program "Who wants to be a Newspaper"??? I really want to hear him say to the NYT - "Your Fired"
14 posted on 03/23/2005 5:00:07 AM PST by kentj
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While there were probably more votes of conscience in Congress on the bill than the public thinks, it is also pretty clear that the Christian conservative movement now has the clout on life-and-death issues to do what the National Rifle Association has done for years on gun control. Strengthened by the results of the November elections, the movement can convey to legislators that the intensity of their constituents' beliefs is more important than the balance of national public opinion.

A little news flash for the NYT: ELECTIONS are the "balance of public opinion". Republicans are in the majority in both houses of Congress, in control of the White House, and hold most state legislatures and governorships for a reason. MOST people agree with THEM, and not with the twisted liberal psycophants in the DNC and the MSM!

15 posted on 03/23/2005 5:00:11 AM PST by Sicon
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Monday I called my congress critter's local office to express my thanks for her voting in support of the Bill and that she did the right thing. Her 'person' sounded kind of surprised at first, but then seemed almost ecstatic that I called (very weird phone call).
16 posted on 03/23/2005 5:03:16 AM PST by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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what the pitiable nyt can never grasp is that some issues are not contingent on polls. Polls change, important moral precepts don't.

anyone (calling all dims) that would base a life and death decision on an opinion poll is morally bankrupt.

17 posted on 03/23/2005 5:05:16 AM PST by Pietro
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At first, polling data had support for "letting Terri die" (in other words, murdering her "legally") at the mid-80%. By Monday, it was down to about the mid-seventies. Now, it's down to 68%. Either people are learning the truth about Terri's state or these polls are about as useful as fourth wheel on a tricycle!


18 posted on 03/23/2005 5:08:49 AM PST by Sister_T (Those who preach tolerance and love, practice it THE LEAST!!)
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So let me get this straight. The NYTimes finds it amazing that Republicans are bucking the public opinion trend in favor of doing what is right, that is, what is morally the right thing to do. Do I have that about right? Can we all now see the absolute moral bankruptcy of the NYTimes?
19 posted on 03/23/2005 5:15:40 AM PST by Obadiah
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Michelle Malkin has already shown that the ABC poll was bogus. They characterized her as on "life support" and unconscious.
20 posted on 03/23/2005 5:18:07 AM PST by Dilbert56
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Who ever said this was a political strategy? The Republicans? NO. the MSM!

Unbelieveable that they state the public is against this, then feed the line they did this for political gain.


21 posted on 03/23/2005 5:18:46 AM PST by Soul Seeker
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[The author of this article] Andrew Kohut is president of the Pew Research Center.

Oh yeah, the Pew Center. That non biased research place that admitted it engaged in political subterfuge in support of campaign finance reform. Uh huh.

22 posted on 03/23/2005 5:20:16 AM PST by Obadiah
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This ABC Poll is being touted right and left by the MSM. Yet, take a look at the way the question was phrased and you will see that the respondents were duped into thinking that Terri was lying comatose in a bed with all manner of breathing apparatus and artificial life support sustaining her. A lot of mileage for a fraudulent poll.


23 posted on 03/23/2005 5:42:00 AM PST by standupfortruth
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Of course, you realize that they surveyed the women coming out of the Abortion Clinic, employees of the ACLU, employees of NOW, Cosmopolitan Magizne, etc.

They never asked ME!

The New York Slimes lives down to its own level.

GAG.


24 posted on 03/23/2005 5:43:14 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (SAVE TERRI SCHIAVO'S LIFE -- send in the Guard or Marshalls. Let's Roll!)
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The 2004 election taught us a very important lesson "those who live by the polls, they die by the polls". Those are the liberals.

I am very glad that liberals are our opponents, they are too dumb to ever win again, ever.

25 posted on 03/23/2005 5:43:24 AM PST by jveritas
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