Posted on 03/22/2005 10:42:14 PM PST by ambrose
March 23, 2005CONSERVATIVESG.O.P. Right Is Splintered on Schiavo InterventionASHINGTON, March 22 - The vote by Congress to allow the federal courts to take over the Terri Schiavo case has created distress among some conservatives who say that lawmakers violated a cornerstone of conservative philosophy by intervening in the ruling of a state court. The emerging debate, carried out against a rush of court decisions and Congressional action, has highlighted a conflict of priorities among conservatives and signals tensions that Republicans are likely to face as Congressional leaders and President Bush push social issues over the next two years, party leaders say.
"This is a clash between the social conservatives and the process conservatives, and I would count myself a process conservative," said David Davenport of the Hoover Institute, a conservative research organization. "When a case like this has been heard by 19 judges in six courts and it's been appealed to the Supreme Court three times, the process has worked - even if it hasn't given the result that the social conservatives want. For Congress to step in really is a violation of federalism." Stephen Moore, a conservative advocate who is president of the Free Enterprise Fund, said: "I don't normally like to see the federal government intervening in a situation like this, which I think should be resolved ultimately by the family: I think states' rights should take precedence over federal intervention. A lot of conservatives are really struggling with this case." Some more moderate Republicans are also uneasy. Senator John W. Warner of Virginia, the sole Republican to oppose the Schiavo bill in a voice vote in the Senate, said: "This senator has learned from many years you've got to separate your own emotions from the duty to support the Constitution of this country. These are fundamental principles of federalism." "It looks as if it's a wholly Republican exercise," Mr. Warner said, "but in the ranks of the Republican Party, there is not a unanimous view that Congress should be taking this step." In interviews over the past two days, conservatives who expressed concern about the turn of events in Congress stopped short of condemning the vote in which overwhelming majorities supported the Schiavo bill, and they generally applauded the goal of trying to keep Ms. Schiavo alive. But they said they were concerned about what precedent had been set and said the vote went against Republicans who were libertarian, advocates of states' rights or supporters of individual rights. "My party is demonstrating that they are for states' rights unless they don't like what states are doing," said Representative Christopher Shays of Connecticut, one of five House Republicans who voted against the bill. "This couldn't be a more classic case of a state responsibility." "This Republican Party of Lincoln has become a party of theocracy," Mr. Shays said. "There are going to be repercussions from this vote. There are a number of people who feel that the government is getting involved in their personal lives in a way that scares them." While the intensity of the dissent appears to be rising - Mr. Warner made a point Tuesday of calling attention to his little-noticed opposition in a nearly empty Senate chamber over the weekend - support for the measure among Republican and conservative leaders still appears strong. In interviews, some conservatives either dismissed the argument that the vote was a federal intrusion on states' rights or argued that their opposition to euthanasia as part of their support of the right-to-life movement trumped any aversion they might have to a dominant federal government. "There's a larger issue in play," and Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, "and that is the whole issue of the definition of life. The issue of when is it a life is a broader issue than just a state defining that. I don't think we can have 50 different definitions of life."
Other Republicans who supported the Schiavo bill said they were wrestling conflicting beliefs. Senator George V. Voinovich of Ohio, a former governor and a strong advocate of states' rights, decided to support the bill after determining that his opposition to euthanasia outweighed his views on federalism, an aide said. Senator Tom Coburn, a newly elected conservative Republican from Oklahoma, said: "This isn't a states' rights issue. What we're saying is they are going to review it. The states are not given the right to take away somebody's constitutional rights." Representative Tom DeLay, the Texas Republican who is the House majority leader, bristled on Sunday when he was asked about how to square the bill with federalist precepts. "I really think it is interesting that the media is defining what conservatism is," Mr. DeLay said. "The conservative doctrine here is the Constitution of the United States." The Republican Party has long associated itself with limiting the power of the federal government over the states, though this is not the only time that party leaders have veered from that position. Most famously, in 2000, it persuaded the Supreme Court to overturn a Florida court ruling ordering a recount of the vote in the presidential election between Al Gore and George Bush. But now the Schiavo case is illustrating splinters in the conservative movement that Mr. Bush managed to bridge in his last campaign, and the challenges Mr. Bush and Republicans face in trying to govern over the next two years, even though they control Congress as well as the White House. "The libertarian streak in me says, you know, people should have the right to die," Mr. Moore, of the Free Enterprise Fund, said. "But as so many conservatives, I'm also very pro-life. Those two philosophies are conflicting with each other." Bob Levy, a fellow with the Cato Institute, argued that Democrats and Republicans alike were being "incredibly hypocritical" in this case: Democrats by suddenly embracing states' rights and Republicans by asserting the power of the federal government. "These questions are not the business of Congress," Mr. Levy said of the Schiavo dispute. "The Constitution does not give Congress the power to define life or death. The only role for the court is once the state legislature establishes what the rules are, the court can decide if the rules have been properly applied."
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Sorry about he double post. It's late.
And the leftist propaganda machine rolls on.
No matter what, if Terri dies in barbaric fashion from deliberate dehydration and starvation, it will be the Democrats who take the blame. I only hope the GOP has the sense to help the nation's seniors make the connection. The Democrats are the party of death; the party of euthenasia; the party of "offing" inconvenient disabled folks such as those who have suffered strokes or become too aged to feed themselves.
"I know many strong christian people that feel she should be allowed to die"
The MSM has so grossly misrepresented this case that many are just responding to what they hear and do not realize Terri is NOT TERMINALLY ILL, that she is NOT HOOKED UP ON LIFE SUPPORT, that she never received a PET scan that would definitively diagnose PVS, and that Michael deserted his wife long ago and never allowed her the rehabilitation she needed. Sadly, some good but uninformed people just react to soundbites and emotion.
Terri is not being ALLOWED to die - she is being MADE to die by depriving her of food and water - it's called murder - the cruel murder of a disabled woman by a court based on strictly heresay evidence.
Still praying for Terri - and for our country. God help us.
I am a deeply Christian conservative and I am also a registered nurse with a bachelor's degree in nursing. I do not consider this murder at all. I am not cold hearted, I am not evil, and I am most certainly not uninformed, nor am I misinformed.
This issue is so highly charged emotionally that it is almost impossible to have a rational conversation about it.
I have attempted to read the facts of this case and avoid the opinions. In the absence of actual proven facts, I do not give credibility to the allegations made about Michael Schiavo because they were not made until after there was a falling out between him and the Schindler family.
As a Christian, I have the hope and firm belief that Heaven is a real place that is something to be looked forward to, not avoided at all costs. If Terri was a practicing Catholic, then she has that same hope of Heaven, and to be forever young, forever healthy, never again in pain, then to keep her from her ultimate home seems to be more cruel than what is being called murder in these posts.
Imagine what would have happened if Congress would have had the moral integrity and fortitude to step in to grant freedom to Dred Scott after his unsuccessful appeal to the US Supreme Court.
With all due respect, as a diabled woman myself, and as a Christian, your post sent chills down my spine. I just pray my death will be by God's choosing, not by someone who thinks I no longer have a live worth living and would be better off dead.
Let me clarify my response - I just pray my death will be by God's choosing, not by some JUDGE who thinks I no longer have a life worth living and would better off dead.
Some of us real TRUE Republicans/conservatives CAN have a different opinion on this case, thanks.
There isn't going to be any funeral. The so-called husband is determined to have her cremated immediately after her death. It's an example of what law-enforcement people refer to as "destroying the evidence".
They'll be a funeral, the question is if Terri's parents and family will be invited. Talk about a controlling "husband".
Hey, its a states rights issue where the "husband" now has the right to put his wife to death. - sarcasm
That said, it is clear that being a death lover does not require allegiance to any particular political party. Evidently advocating the death by starvation of an innocent person can be a bipartisan position, although my impression is that there are more 'Rats on the pro-death side than 'Pubs.
As I stated in my post, this whole thing is too emotionally charged. You really don't know WHAT I think, beyond the fact that I don't view what is happening as murder, because that is an emotion charged word. You don't know what kind of nurse I am, nor have you seen me holding hands with family members over the bed of their dying relative, praying for peace and comfort, and hugging them every day.
Murder would be going into the room and putting a pillow over her head, or shooting her dead on the spot.
I have said over and over again that I wish I knew what King Solomon would have done in this case. I wish I knew all the answers and I certainly wish that there was more information and less emotion tied to it.
The whole point of my post was actually the fact that, as a Christian, my hope of Heaven, which is supposed to be my ultimate home, should also be the hope of Terri, and a good thing! No more pain, no more illness. She will walk and talk, sing, dance and run if she wants to! And she will be with the Lord.
First, I know exactly what you think as you expressed it in your original post.
Secondly, I made no comment about your nursing skills.
Thirdly, compassion and caring lie in the individual, not in his or her profession. I have been hospitalized over 30 times with my illnesses - I have had good nurses and I have had nurses from hell. And, no, I have not seen you do all the things you have mentioned - but I have done them all myself.
Lastly, I still stand by my original comment - now more than ever - as a disabled woman, your original post gives me cold chills.
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