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Santorum rethinks death penalty stance
Pitt Post ^ | 3/22/05 | ann rodgers

Posted on 03/22/2005 12:21:44 PM PST by pissant

A new poll showing that Catholics are backing off support for the death penalty was no surprise to U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum, an outspoken conservative Catholic, who says he has been re-examining his own view.

He has not become an abolitionist, and he believes church teaching against the death penalty carries less weight than its longer-standing opposition to abortion. But he questions what he once unquestioningly supported.

"I felt very troubled about cases where someone may have been convicted wrongly. DNA evidence definitely should be used when possible," he said.

"I agree with the pope that in the civilized world ... the application of the death penalty should be limited. I would definitely agree with that. I would certainly suggest there probably should be some further limits on what we use it for."

(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: deathpenalty; santorum; waffle
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Santorum is quickly becoming a standard, waffling senator. Too bad
1 posted on 03/22/2005 12:21:46 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

Agreed. Maybe he needs to have dinner with Mark Lunsford!


2 posted on 03/22/2005 12:24:39 PM PST by tatsmom
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To: pissant

Not a problem. He is out after the next election.


3 posted on 03/22/2005 12:24:43 PM PST by Pit1
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To: pissant
I felt very troubled about cases where someone may have been convicted wrongly.

This would be my issue if I was on a jury. Frankly, "beyond a reasonable doubt" wouldn't be enough for me to recommend a death penalty. I'd have to be next to certain, which is next to impossible to prove.

4 posted on 03/22/2005 12:25:00 PM PST by You Dirty Rats (Mindless BushBot)
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To: pissant
church teaching against the death penalty carries less weight than its longer-standing opposition to abortion.

The Church has no stance against the abolition of the death penalty. I wish people would stop comparing the two issues.
5 posted on 03/22/2005 12:25:00 PM PST by mike182d ("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
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To: pissant

Abolitionist? They're now comparing the death penalty to slavery. They won't be happy until all the law abiders are dead and all the criminals are free.


6 posted on 03/22/2005 12:27:20 PM PST by johnb838 (Greer: What I have written, I have written)
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To: pissant

I agree with him. I'm against the death penalty. I think its unnecessary in modern society and it just further adds to a cool view towards life in general. I'm not going around championing its abolition or anything and I think other issues are much more important, but I would prefer life without parole as the standard.


8 posted on 03/22/2005 12:30:06 PM PST by marsh_of_mists
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To: pissant

I hope he's just doing it for political effect. The death penalty is under attack. We don't need the staunchest conservatives turning against it.

Of course, I don't have any problem with tightening it up to make sure that innocent people don't accidentally get executed. That's the last thing we want to happen, particularly since it would be very difficult to stop repeal of the death penalty if that happened. But the notion that we should simply take some classes of criminals who are clearly guilty and exempt them from the death penalty does not appeal to me.


9 posted on 03/22/2005 12:30:32 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: johnb838
Think Spector somehow has his cock in his pocket?

Thanks for the disturbing, mental image. Now I have to wash myself off with a half-naked chick from one of my Maxim magazines.

10 posted on 03/22/2005 12:31:24 PM PST by 12 Gauge Mossberg (I Approved This Posting - Paid For By Mossberg, Inc.)
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To: You Dirty Rats

WHAT? So, for example, you couldn't sentence the Lunsford killer to death? Or the Van Damme? Or the Runyon? Or any of the otheres of these horrific killings of children? How about the gang-related drive-bys? Come on. If the evidencce is clear they go the the cheir. (bad rhyme). But I agree it shouldn't be TOO hard to get commuted to life if there is some doubt. Mumia, for example, let him ride the needle. No doubt there, just a bunch of liberals screeching. HEY! Maybe we can trade Terri Schiavo's life for Mumia's?


11 posted on 03/22/2005 12:31:38 PM PST by johnb838 (Greer: What I have written, I have written)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg

I didn't make that expression up, I heard it somewhere but it was a LONG time ago. Don't know why I just remembered it now.


12 posted on 03/22/2005 12:33:18 PM PST by johnb838 (Greer: What I have written, I have written)
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To: pissant
The manner in which the death penalty is administered nowadays, a needle that puts you to sleep, is probably not much of a deterrant to crime anyway. I'm in favor of eliminating the death penalty, but it needs to be followed-up with harsher prison conditions for the hardened and violent offenders: chain gangs, hard labor, boot-camp style rules/behavior, no TV or weight-lifting, and perhaps a gulag or two in the mountains of Alaska where the worst of the worst go to never be seen again.
13 posted on 03/22/2005 12:35:46 PM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: pissant
The man is no different than LIEberman. Selling all the principles strongly held in order to win an election.

Pathetic.

14 posted on 03/22/2005 12:39:37 PM PST by OldFriend ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child might have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg

Take your commentary over to DU where it will be welcome.


15 posted on 03/22/2005 12:40:53 PM PST by OldFriend ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child might have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: johnb838

Why not visit DU, they'll love your intellectual commentary.


16 posted on 03/22/2005 12:41:22 PM PST by OldFriend ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child might have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: DTogo

Im at a loss, on one hand I am in favor of eliminating the death penalty, especially when you here of people being wrongly convicted and put to death. Then you see a case such as the one in Florida with the rape and murder of poor Jessican, and you wonder what is proper justice for this disturbed man?


17 posted on 03/22/2005 12:44:59 PM PST by DollarCoins
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To: Brilliant
But the notion that we should simply take some classes of criminals who are clearly guilty and exempt them from the death penalty does not appeal to me.

On a moral level I have no problem with the Death Penalty. The problem is that our justice system is too coarse/crude/inept to be trusted with such an absolute penalty.

Even now prosecutors around the country are fighting efforts to use post-conviction DNA testing to exonerate innocents.

18 posted on 03/22/2005 12:45:57 PM PST by 13foxtrot
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To: pissant

I'm for death penalty. Yet, i think it should be reserved for cases such as serial killers whose possibility to be rehabilitated is almost zero.


19 posted on 03/22/2005 12:49:58 PM PST by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: 13foxtrot
On a moral level I have no problem with the Death Penalty. The problem is that our justice system is too coarse/crude/inept to be trusted with such an absolute penalty.

Bingo, thats me too. I am against the practical application of the death penalty. My views have changed on it and have been changing over some time. Its not my cause celebre', so I wont be championing its abolition. But I think in this imperfect world, its not a good idea to mete out such permanent punishment.

That said, I think that bad guys should die. I'd gladly kill them too, if the situation were right.

20 posted on 03/22/2005 12:52:14 PM PST by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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