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Schiavo Thoughts: Judge Whittemore's Order Explained
Abstract Appeal (Blog) ^ | March 22, 2005 | Matt Conigliaro

Posted on 03/22/2005 6:58:07 AM PST by yatros from flatwater

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To: antiRepublicrat
If my son or daughter marries and then -- G-d forbid -- have a accident of sickness which leaves them similiarly incapcitated -- I will do everything to keep them from being so murdered. If I have the opportunity to keep such from happening to anyone I will.

Do you want safety? Peace? You shall not have them when my -- and many, many others families are at such risk. I am not the only person who will not stand down in the face of murderers coming at myself or my family.

41 posted on 03/22/2005 8:33:15 AM PST by bvw
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To: yatros from flatwater
"Regretably, money overshadows this entire case and creates potential of conflict of interest for both sides." - Judge Greer

This would seem to be good fodder for count II

42 posted on 03/22/2005 8:42:27 AM PST by Homer1
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To: Homer1
Only if the argument is accepted as having standing by the judge with whom the case is filed.

The Humpty-Dumpty rule applies on this side of the looking-glass.

43 posted on 03/22/2005 8:51:35 AM PST by yatros from flatwater (Justice, Justice, you shall pursue!)
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To: bvw
I will do everything to keep them from being so murdered. If I have the opportunity to keep such from happening to anyone I will.

Then you need to make sure your kids have a notarized living will prepared by a laywer stating they will never be unplugged from anything, or even better directing that you be their legal guardian in case of incapacitation. You will then find yourself in Michael Schiavo's case, with the law on your side, your decisions being followed.

44 posted on 03/22/2005 9:00:12 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Like Freeper Shermy -- I find the living will itself an abomination. While allowed for heoric measures -- there can be no valid contract for murder or suicide -- no matter how palatable and kindly the advocates of death-the-industry make it.


45 posted on 03/22/2005 9:06:27 AM PST by bvw
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To: Shermy

You are mentioned in post prior.


46 posted on 03/22/2005 9:07:00 AM PST by bvw
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

You almost got it. They are not following the rules of the court. They're following the Rules Of Terri's Case.

Rule #1 - Terri must die.

Rule #2 - If following a particular law will enhance your ability to kill Terri, follow it.

Rule #3 - If following a particular law will interfere with killing Terri, do not follow it.

Rule #4 - Terri must die.



47 posted on 03/22/2005 9:10:27 AM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: TruthSetsUFree

Thanks for the E-mail addys. I was able to FAX all but three, minus the two who don't have fax numbers, which leaves four faxes that got through.


48 posted on 03/22/2005 9:13:32 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: yatros from flatwater

Lightening fast???? I have my doubts.


49 posted on 03/22/2005 9:15:08 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: BykrBayb

You GOT it exactly RIGHT, BB!


50 posted on 03/22/2005 9:16:15 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Actually, Judge Whittemore is a registered Republican. The selection of federal judges is more a function of recommendations from a state's U.S. senators than input from the president; hence the appointment of a Republican judge by a Democrat president.


51 posted on 03/22/2005 9:27:58 AM PST by JoeFromCA
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To: bvw
I find the living will itself an abomination.

Living wills aren't just for stopping medical procedures. They can also mandate that all possible life-saving procedures will be performed. Have your kids get them if you don't want to be in the Schindler family's situation.

52 posted on 03/22/2005 9:31:23 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: yatros from flatwater
and based on the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Cruzan v. Missouri, where the supreme court explained that these situations are different and states can treat them differently.

Which was the Roe vs Wade of euthanasia. Though many seem to not understand that, thinking this killing of Terri fits the bill instead.

53 posted on 03/22/2005 9:33:42 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: antiRepublicrat
They can also mandate ..."

There's the problem -- they can ask to live, but as this case shows they allow and will mandate under order of a court -- nothing less than murder.

It is irresponsible to insist -- while whole and healthy -- that one never wants to be put on a feeding tube when incapacitated, or even to be bedridden and non-responsive.

Some have been in that conidtion -- me, for a while when younger than Terri when it started for her -- included. Once in that condition -- take my word and that of others -- your view totally changes.

As Terri said yesterday "I waaant [to live]!"

Thus the concept is perverted, unless restricted only to "he roic" measures, and would even a passive measure -- IV and feeding tube -- can not be withheld by prior choice in some death contract (aka living will).

54 posted on 03/22/2005 9:45:41 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
but as this case shows they allow and will mandate under order of a court -- nothing less than murder.

All this case shows is that the courts will uphold the power of a legal guardian. You could of course wish this power of a legal guardian to be overturned, but that could come back and bite you. Imagine if your kid is hurt and you become his legal guardian wishing life for him. Then the wife comes along wanting him to die, challenging your power of legal guardianship under the precedent set in the -- you guessed it -- Schiavo case.

55 posted on 03/22/2005 9:58:33 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: New Orleans Slim

National Lawyers Guild (NLG) The Legal 5th Column

he NLG embraces every anti-America, anti-capitalist, anti-war, anti-Israel, and "anti-imperialist" cause in vogue among the far left and declares itself "dedicated to the need for basic change in the structure of our political and economic system."

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56 posted on 03/22/2005 10:07:25 AM PST by ItsWar
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To: antiRepublicrat

No one, sir or madam, has the power to murder an innocent. No matter of any lawful status -- guardian, parent, doctor or judge.


57 posted on 03/22/2005 10:17:10 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
No one, sir or madam, has the power to murder an innocent. No matter of any lawful status -- guardian, parent, doctor or judge.

Hate to tell you this, but they do have the power, and they exercise it thousands of times a year all over the United States. The question is whether they have moral standing, and your opinion is obvious and I respect it.

58 posted on 03/22/2005 10:28:35 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: apackof2

The appellate court can issue injumctive relief as well. Let's hope this gets done today.


59 posted on 03/22/2005 10:30:55 AM PST by bigeasy_70118
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To: antiRepublicrat

That's a stolen power -- they have it only by stealing it. Any person has the power to murder another. Under law, NO person -- Judge nor King -- has that power, rightfully, to use against an innocent.


60 posted on 03/22/2005 10:44:41 AM PST by bvw
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