Teaching Darwin

Weekly Standars ^ | March 21, 2005 | Paul McHugh

[Elsie]

In the case of foxes, one of the traits linked to tameness (and intelligence) is the quality of the fur.

Define - QUALITY

[Elsie]

Just when I think my fingers have finally learned to fly while touch-typing...

Mine have learned that my eyes don't check too well; so they insert wrong words, misspell words or just leave stff out!

[Elsie]

When he types quotations with ellipses.

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Otherwise, we all jump on him for pasting a LOT of text, instead of a link. (You know; the BANDWIDTH charge.)

--EvoGuy

[Elsie]

NIV 1 Peter 1:17-21
 17.  Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.
 18.  For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers,
 19.  but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
 20.  He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
 21.  Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 2:7
  No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.

 

NIV 2 Timothy 1:8-10
 8.  So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God,
 9.  who has saved us and called us to a holy life--not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,
 10.  but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.

 

NIV Titus 1:1-4
 1.  Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of God's elect and the knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness--
 2.  a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,
 3.  and at his appointed season he brought his word to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior,
 4.  To Titus, my true son in our common faith:   Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.

[Elsie]

...and modern biology and medicine wouldn't be where it is today without Charles Darwin.

Got any PROOF for this statement?

[Elsie]

Hogwash. Neither the details of God's creation efforts, nor what it means to be "mature" are explained with sufficient clarity in the text for this to be a foregone conclusion.

But, in the fossil record, MUCH clarity is seen, but you evil CREVO's ignore it!"

--EvoGuy

[Elsie]

The taking of Jerusalem by the Crusaders.

Ya gotta link for: The taking of Jerusalem by the MUSLIMs?

[Just mythoughts]

"I'm not asking you to convert me to your religion. I'm just asking you a simple question."

CONVERT???? Who do you think I am? I don't play the god role. The Heavenly Father wants you He knows where you are. You have made plain what your choice is and you pretend to ask simple question. Do alll elvomites pretend they are gods? I am told not to cast pearls before swine.

You don't like real answers your hearts desire is to prop up, dab with whitewash a mythical ideology that keeps the Makers hands out of sight.

[Elsie]

What is the penalty for being an evolutionist?

 

 

Well................

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NIV Matthew 24:35
 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

 

NIV Mark 8:38
 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words  in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels."

 

NIV Luke 6:46-49
 46.  "Why do you call me, `Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?
 47.  I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hears my words  and puts them into practice.
 48.  He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.
 49.  But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete."

 

NIV John 12:46-50
 46.  I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.
 47.  "As for the person who hears my words  but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.
 48.  There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.
 49.  For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it.
 50.  I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say."

 

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One merely has to determine if "E" causes someone to NOT believe my words.

[Elsie]

In other words, you're as dishonest as they come.

AHhhh.... talking points!

EvoGuy

[Elsie]

[ Once you start with a sufficiently large group of people, incest isn't really a problem. Even an original genetic pool of a few hundred would probably have been enough. ]

Today's biologists tend to disagree; especially in the case of the cheetah. They say there's not ENOUGH 'diversity' in the cute cat's gene pool.

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(This really upsets the Noah 'myth' doesn't it?)

[Dataman]

If he's the editor who gave the green light to publish Stephen C. Meyer's paper in the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, then I think he is taking flack due to his religious beliefs but because he didn't do his job.

IOW, an inquisition is ok as long as your side is in control.

After decades of public funding, decades of monopolistic school control, a lock on academia, complete control of the texts, sympathy from the MSM, and lock-step obedience of PBS, why are you guys losing this debate? Why are fewer falling for evolution? You've had a century and a half to make your case yet fewer and fewer believe, including scientists. Coincidentally, atheism is dying a parallel death.

If you make the knee-jerk pronouncement that it's because people are stupid, please explain how your side lost the Scopes trial yet won in the minds of the people. People must have been far more stupid back then to believe you won and to believe that you could build an entire human culture from a pig's tooth.

[Elsie]

Also enough water falls on the earth from space to cover it in 1 inch of water every 20,000 years.

 

       20,000 yrs =         1 in

      200,000 yrs =        10 in

    2,000,000 yrs =       100 in

   20,000,000 yrs =      1000 in

  200,000,000 yrs =     10000 in

2,000,000,000 yrs =    100000 in

4,000,000,000 yrs =    200000 in

5,000,000,000 yrs =    250000 in or 20833 ft or 3.945 MILES

 

GLUB Glub glub

[Elsie]

Let me politely suggest that scientists don't generally invade your church to teach Darwinism...

Sure they do!

In the form of little brainwashed kids from PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

[biblewonk]

I notice that you've offered no actual arguments. You just rant and rave because you cannot possibly justify using the Bible as a science text.

The bible is the inspired Word of God just as it says. A verse I find important in the Bible interpretation is John 10:34,35 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, "I said, "You are gods"'?[a] 35If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),

Particularly, "the scripture can't be broken". It is all true and all in agreement.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Wait 'til global warming kicks in.

[Right Wing Professor]

In the form of little brainwashed kids from PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

Well, by all means bar the door against these little menaces then.

[Modernman]

Today's biologists tend to disagree; especially in the case of the cheetah. They say there's not ENOUGH 'diversity' in the cute cat's gene pool.

I've read that cheetahs are all so genetically close that they're almost clones. The theory is that the cheetah population once fell to maybe one pregnant female due to a drought or some sort of natural disaster.

So, cheetahs are pretty inbred. Their genetic pool is incredibly shallow.

[Modernman]

Our ancestors evolved on the hot savannah.

And that's why today, all them critters out on the savannah are HAIRLESS!!!!!!

Some are, such as elephants and rhinos. Others aren't. Relative hairlessness is one of the adaptations that allowed humans to become one of the best long distance runners of any species. Though a lion is faster than a human in a sprint, over a long distance a human will leave it behind.

[js1138]

That is the death of Darwin.

Ho hum. Darwin has been dead for some time. Natural selection, however, is alive and well.

Natural selection following genome reorganization eliminates the misfits whose new genetic structures are non-functional. ... Once organisms with functional new genomes appear, however, natural selection may play a positive role in fine-tuning novel genetic systems by the kind of micro-evolutionary processes currently studied in the laboratory.

Now all you need to demonstrate is how the genome reorganizes, and who or what does the reorganization. The Tooth Fairy?

This sounds oddly like saltation, a theory that was widely and thoroughly investigated after Darwin's "Origin." Perhaps you have personal knowledge of some evidence that didn't show up in the 80 years when most biologist believed it. If so, you ought to show us the evidence and dazzle us.