[Pharmboy]

It's been too long without a classic freeper evolution vs. creationist thread. This is a kosher one...

[Pharmboy]

*Ping*

[Convert from ECUSA]

Ping of interest!

I like the picture of the rabbi with the lion!

[Junior]

"These same scientists who tell you with such clarity what happened 65 million years ago - ask them what the weather will be like in New York in two weeks' time."

This is as much a non-sequiter as "they can put a man on the Moon, but they can't cure the common cold." Silly rabbis, those tricks are for yids.

[Zionist Conspirator]

The whole basis of evolution is that natural, physical laws as we know them now have always been that way. This is an understandable position for atheist materialists, but I have never understood why anyone who believes in an Omnipotent G-d and that supernatural phenomena have occurred in apparent violation of natural law numerous times in history would insist on uniformitarianism during the actual creation process.

I know of one Orthodox rabbi (he has a website teaching this so it's not leshon hara`) who believes in theistic evolution but also that the earth is hollow and that's where the demons live. Now may I ask why the same pressure to conform to uniformitarian science in the process of Creation doesn't defer to that same science on the nature of the inside of the earth?

At least these people don't believe in the resurrection of J*sus, a violation of natural law believed in devoutly by chr*stian theistic evolutionists.

[Zionist Conspirator]

And in "The Science of Torah," he took a scientist's eye to the Torah. Evolution, he wrote, did not disprove God's existence and was consistent with Jewish thought. He suggested that the Big Bang theory paralleled the account of the universe's creation given by the medieval Spanish-Jewish sage Ramban. And Rabbi Slifkin wrote, to quote his own later paraphrase, that "tree-ring chronology, ice layers and sediment layers in riverbeds all show clear proof to the naked eye that the world is much more than 5,765 years old."

Of course they do. If one assumes that physical laws are absolute and unchanging. One could also claim that these were a product of the Geat Flood. But each explanation is an assumption based on preconceptions, though only the latter will admit this. And again, why evolutionists are so eager to get everyone to agree with them on the utter naturalism of the world's origin that they are willing to compromise on other things (the splitting of the Sea, the Revelation at Sinai, [lehavdil], the alleged resurrection of J*sus, etc.) is beyond me. It doesn't seem a logical position.

In the days after the ban, Rabbi Slifkin's publisher and distributor dropped the three books mentioned in the open letter. He himself lost several speaking engagements and saw his own rabbi pressured to expel him from his synagogue. "He was crushed," said a friend, Rabbi Yitzchok Adlerstein, a professor of Jewish law and ethics at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "Do you know what it's like to walk through the street and see posters branding you a heretic?"

Indeed. Creationists have been ridiculed as heretics, innovationists, and "19th century positivists" for decades by the religious establishment. Hey, I'm a Creationist who's been Catholic, so don't ask me what it feels like to be considered a heretic!

So when do the "indigenous pipples" of the world have to modify their traditional beliefs in light of European science and rationalism? And how come the Darwinists and third world fundamentalists spend all their time pounding Bible-thumpers and never get mad at each other?

[Vicomte13]

If the rabbi is "utlra-orthodox" as advertised in the article, why does he wear a trimmed beard.
He looks more like a Jesuit monk than an ULTRA-orthodox rabbi.

A rabbi, sure.
Orthodox, maybe. (Maybe sloppydox.)
But ULTRA-orthodox with a trimmed beard?

I am skeptical.

[Vicomte13]

I'll bite.

God made the world.
Evolution is how He did it.
The Bible teaches us how to go to Heaven, not how the heavens go.
Thus believes any Catholic who listened during science class back in Catholic school anyway.

[Red Sea Swimmer]

Science and theology will co-exist quite comfortably in the Messianic Era. Just as the universe is truly abundant so the knowledge of God's ways will be abundant also. The revelations and unfolding of the true potential of the universe continues. At certain times throughout history the zeitgeist really speeds up and makes quantum leaps.

When the students are ready to listen the teacher will appear.