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Sweet cell of success (Major breakthrough in adult stem cell research could end ethical debate)
The Australian ^ | March 22, 2005 | Wayne Smith

Posted on 03/21/2005 7:51:51 AM PST by dead

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1 posted on 03/21/2005 7:51:53 AM PST by dead
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I don't know, it seems doing research on adult stem cells takes all the fun out of it.


2 posted on 03/21/2005 7:54:31 AM PST by Always Right
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To: dead

A perfect example of the uselessness of government research, and the potency of individual minds unfettered by government strings. Hooray for the private enterprise, seat-of-the-pants approach.

Let this be a lesson to taxpayers worldwide.


3 posted on 03/21/2005 8:04:21 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: dead
Infanticide stem cell research will continue to be funded, no matter how useless the results are.

It has nothing to do with science and everything to do with ideology
4 posted on 03/21/2005 8:10:01 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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In the US, federal government funding for embryonic stem cell research is extremely limited, thanks to George Bush.

And private industry wants results and profits, so that money would abandon embryonic research in a minute if the funds were more productively spent elsewhere.

5 posted on 03/21/2005 8:20:08 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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A perfect example of the uselessness of government research, and the potency of individual minds unfettered by government strings.

Nice thought, but venture capitalists don't fund research. Neither do most companies nowadays, which is why technology innovation has largely stopped in the US.

6 posted on 03/21/2005 8:31:54 AM PST by HolgerDansk ("Oh Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round.)
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To: HolgerDansk

Nonsense. VCs fund a great deal of research, along with companies of various sizes, including stem cell research.


7 posted on 03/21/2005 8:44:42 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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Nonsense. VCs fund a great deal of research, along with companies of various sizes, including stem cell research.

The vast majority of medical research is funded by NIH, not corporations. As for VCs funding research, don't be ridiculous. Research has a minimum 3-5 year time horizon (othewise it's called "developmnet") just to get a handle on the technology risks, and that's well beyond the scope of venture capital firms.

8 posted on 03/21/2005 8:48:03 AM PST by HolgerDansk ("Oh Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round.)
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That's right - they fund useless Internet based companies and not biomedical research.

VC companies as well as pharmaceutical companies fund a lot of biomed research. And, if vast sums weren't extracted in taxes, taken via lawsuits, or stopped because of regulations, we'd have a lot more private ventures.


9 posted on 03/21/2005 8:53:55 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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A perfect example of the uselessness of government research, and the potency of individual minds unfettered by government strings. Hooray for the private enterprise, seat-of-the-pants approach.

FWIW, these guys work for a university, no doubt funded by the Australian government. They obviously did a lot of grant-writing, though....

10 posted on 03/21/2005 8:54:32 AM PST by r9etb
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To: terabyte

Stem cell research Poing. Looks like it works from adult stem cells taken from the nose.


Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!


11 posted on 03/21/2005 8:57:42 AM PST by Terabitten (A quick reminder to the liberals. The election in Iraq was done NOT IN YOUR NAME.)
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To: dead

When they get adult stem cells to do everything embryonic stem cells can do, the adult stem cells will also be capable of becoming embryos. I don't see how this changes anything, for people who insist that embryos be treated as full fledged people. What difference does it make how something got to be an embryo?


12 posted on 03/21/2005 8:58:58 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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That's right - they fund useless Internet based companies and not biomedical research.

Actually, this hasn't been true for at least five years now. And the VC firms that funded "useless Internet based companies" are no longer with us. In fact, just about the only thing that's getting VC money in the former Silicon Valley are biomed firms, but again that's not research, it's product development.

13 posted on 03/21/2005 8:59:49 AM PST by HolgerDansk ("Oh Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round.)
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It would definitely be in the best interests of VCs making money to have taxpayers fund their risk. The recent ESC proposition in CA being an example. If they can get the NIH to fund the risk, that's a great deal for them. I have some investments I wouldn't mind having the taxpayers take the risk on too.

I worked for a startup medical company with a very smart CEO. He was able to get a couple rounds of financing out of some VCs, and he's now in charge of a successful, private company. Man do they hate him! LOL! I'm sure they'll get their money back some day. The company is about 11 years old.

VCs lose a lot of money on technology R&D. Why do they do it? Because it only takes one winner to make up for the losses.


14 posted on 03/21/2005 9:06:46 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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It would definitely be in the best interests of VCs making money to have taxpayers fund their risk.

Aside from the risk factor, the real problem is that research usually benefits someone other than the person funding it -- that's just the nature of research. So to be fair, most technology research has to be broadly funded. Up until the Clinton Administration, the vast majority of technology funding came from the federal government for this reason, but was then decried as "corporate welfare", and slashed. Welfare, yeah, show me any other welfare spending that has a 1000% ROIC.

VCs lose a lot of money on technology R&D.

No, they do not. VCs invest in businesses, which involve some development but certainly not research.

15 posted on 03/21/2005 10:00:09 AM PST by HolgerDansk ("Oh Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round.)
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      Good article.  While embryonic stem cell research advocates hype the media with promises, adult stem cell researchers are curing people.  See Adult Stem Cells: It's Not Pie-in-the-Sky (FR post)
16 posted on 03/21/2005 10:55:57 AM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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Aside from the risk factor, the real problem is that research usually benefits someone other than the person funding it -- that's just the nature of research.

      Indeed.  Another problem is that any benefits from research are long term; research has a negative impact on the current quarter's bottom line, and American business has become seriously short sighted.
17 posted on 03/21/2005 11:10:52 AM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: dead

Imagine that, Smart Snot; these guys might have sneezed up a fortune.


18 posted on 03/21/2005 11:21:02 AM PST by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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No, they do not. VCs invest in businesses, which involve some development but certainly not research.

I agree, and government funded research is the rare exception where government spending really pays off.

19 posted on 03/21/2005 11:22:10 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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Now you're the one trying to take all the fun out of it.


20 posted on 03/21/2005 11:22:22 AM PST by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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